Matter will be created from light within a year, claim scientists

a reply to: Biigs

Turning matter into light is a simple process other way a bit more difficult. But its already been done at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center in California. Years ago just takes alot of energy. As for nuclear explosion you take matter and get light and heat. Rather ineficient though since were only converting about a 5 percent of the total energy.

a reply to: Biigs
That is not a conversion of mass to energy. It is a chemical reaction.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Biigs
That is not a conversion of mass to energy. It is a chemical reaction.

You are correct for except one thing.....

Heat and light are photons that carry the energy from the chemical reaction, they are in a way sub atomic, the light given off isnt matter like if i were to corrode a metal with oxygen.

Theres a difference between combining elements (matter) and producing light and somthing even different from that when you do it the other way.

originally posted by: Biigs

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Biigs
That is not a conversion of mass to energy. It is a chemical reaction.

You are correct for except one thing.....

Heat and light are photons that carry the energy from the chemical reaction, they are in a way sub atomic, the light given off isnt matter like if i were to corrode a metal with oxygen.

Theres a difference between combining elements (matter) and producing light and somthing even different from that when you do it the other way.

your wrong its exactly the same its a chemical reaction. Sometimes we see it as light or heat or even a molecular change but it doesnt matter its all just a display of potential energy.

a reply to: Biigs

In combustion no matter is converted to energy. Energy is released during oxidation because of changes in chemical bonds. This results in a change in electron energy states. The change in energy states releases photons. Energy is converted to light. Mass in not converted to energy or light.

a reply to: dragonridr

So at what point does a light wave-particle become able to be slowed enough to make part of a molecule and in your own words explain why light is given off when a match burns and other chemical reactions do not.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Biigs

In combustion no matter is converted to energy. Energy is released oxidation. This results in a change in electron energy states. The change in energy states releases photons.

exactly, and if we can make atoms from photons does it not make sense that when we burn things and light comes off we are doing the opposite?

a reply to: Biigs
No. Because when we burn things we are not converting matter to energy, we are changing one form of energy to another. We are changing energy stored in chemical bonds into light (and heat). There is no mass lost. The original mass is still there.

originally posted by: Biigs
a reply to: dragonridr

So at what point does a light wave-particle become able to be slowed enough to make part of a molecule and in your own words explain why light is given off when a match burns and other chemical reactions do not.

Light doesnt slow down in a chemical reaction not sure even what your asking. Most chemical reactions give off heat doesnt matter if its thermal or visible light. In fact any oxidation process can be called a "fire". So when you see a piece of metal that is rusting (oxygem bonding with metal) it can be said that the metal is "on fire".Oxidation is an "exothermic" reaction- that means that it gives off energy. A lot of energy tends to excite electrons which then give off electro-magnetic energy- light. Specific amounts of energy (heat) tend to give off specific frequencies (colors) of light: the hotter the more different frequencies so the whiter the light.

By the way, this NOT "matter turning into energy" in the e= mc2 sense. It is the energy binding the atoms in the compounds that is released.

Light one particle/wave flung off from some sort of source.

chemical reaction, one atom combining with another atom to create a chemical.


Ever seen a shuttle launch? Thats the combination of hydrogen and oxygen, but you dont just see a huge cloud of gas you see a MASSIVE fire ball and a bright light. That light is energy from some part of the reaction which is what i presume they are trying to reverse.

Oh and bare in mind that the heat, light etc is all technically the same thing, particle wise (not atom or molecule or chemical)

a reply to: Biigs

Light one particle/wave flung off from some sort of source.

Yes. The source is an electron dropping to a lower energy state. The electron is still there. It just gave up energy it had gained as a result of the oxidation reaction.

It this works it will be the final proof that E=mc^2 is a universal concept and that all energy is interchangeable with matter just like Einstein said. There is really nothing amazing about this when you understand what Einstein was saying. But it will be quite amazing to actually see light transformed into normal matter.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
What element would be created I wonder.

It depends on how much energy they put into the laser beam. Just like in a particle collider, they will get out particles with an energy which is dependent on the particles and the kinetic energy of the particles they put into the system. That's why they needed to build bigger and bigger particle colliders in order to get a Higgs particle. They literally speed up the particles so much that when they collide they are converted into pure energy and that energy then condenses into a single particle, even the kinetic energy of the particles goes into the resulting particle. The Higgs particle is a very high energy particle so in order to detect it (or the decay products of it) they needed larger and larger accelerators to speed up the particles ever faster, until they put enough kinetic energy into the collision, such that they get a Higgs from it. If you ask me converting kinetic energy into matter is just as weird, if not weirder, than converting light into normal matter.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
What element would be created I wonder.

No element. Probably an electron and a positron. Created by slamming high-energy gamma particles together.

originally posted by: Xeven
If you can produce matter at enough density to cause gravity and then use say... magnetism to keep the matter in front of you then you got a very likely contender for faster than light travel. You only need to make gravity occur in font of space ship constantly "in front" to make a ship speed up to faster than light. In other words pretend for a moment you could beam energy in front of your space ship that creates a "ball" of matter dense enough to create gravity. Now if this beam or its "ball of dense matter/gravity" could be maintained in front of your space vehicle "maybe with magnetism" then you ship would constantly be producing every moving gravity in front of your space ship that would draw your space ship toward it . If some how we could maintain in front of a ship even through movement a gravimetric pull you could reach the speed of light or...maybe faster.

I have thought about this for years, and it solves more than one problem. The additional issue with such travel is the risk and danger to Human life, we cannot withstand such forces. However, the ability to create a false gravity in front of the ship for such travel (being forever "falling" at high speed in a controlled direction) would also allow us to create a false gravity within the ship to mitigate the potential damage to the human body.

Basically, right now, even if we did have the technology to travel so fast, we would not be able to physically withstand those forces. But, with the addition of a secondary gravitational force the pressures within the ship could be opposed properly to completely remove any danger. It's all about opposing forces cancelling each other out, creating a bubble of static forces for sustaining life while the extremes are kept outside of that protective bubble.

O.k. let's just look at actually what is happening at the fundamental scales of reality... a la the Planck Scale

Essentially according to the theory of Loop Quantum Gravity, which is a potential theory of everything derived from String theory, all matter is made of space-time itself. In other words at the fundamental level of reality space-time is a chaotic sea of quantumness... you might of heard the term quantum foam to describe it.


Matter is made of twisted space-time loops or braids (knots) in space-time at this level of reality... the more Loops or braids there are to describe a particle the more mass a particle has.

Now matter and energy are interchangeable, in other words given enough energy you can create matter and you can also convert matter to energy (nuclear reactions).

What is happening in the described theory and forth coming experiment is the former... energy converted to matter.... But how exactly??

Energy can be quarantined and thought of as particles and acts upon the world as packets of information... but what is energy at the fundamental level of reality.. As part of the Electo-magnetic spectrum light also acts as a frequency....

This frequency is all important when you consider it's effect at the Planck scale of reality as it dictates how excited or coherent the quantum foam can become and thus increase the potential to form braids in space-time...

This is essentially what the experiment is about.

I'm sorry if I have lost some of you on the way through this post... I am available to take any questions as the subject is quite broad.

Peace,

Korg.

a reply to: Xeven

Yes...a kind of portable mini black hole / wormhole generator.

The black hole would be moving as fast as the ship is because the generated is fixed to the ship, so would exert a constant pull towards it, unless situating the generators at variable distances, the pull could be made stronger or weaker to speed up or slow down..if the generators could be rotated (imagine the turret on a tank), then the craft could be steered in 360 degrees, accelerated and have braking..all using the same mini singularity to do it all.

a reply to: Phage

while i agree with you for the time being i think you may need to reconsider your analysis in the future

as the definition of energy and matter are likely to undergo some changes




after all the closer you look the more you see

Mankind has come full circle from the Tower of Babel it seems..

Now it gets interesting....

originally posted by: Astyanax

originally posted by: ArtemisE
What element would be created I wonder.

No element. Probably an electron and a positron. Created by slamming high-energy gamma particles together.

Actually that's a good point, an element, or more correctly, a chemical element, is an atom which contains a combination of several different fundamental/elementary particles. They wont get out a chemical element or any type of atom, they will get out elementary particles (there's a big difference between chemical elements and elementary particles).

originally posted by: alienjuggalo


Now when it comes to this stuff I am pretty ignorant, but wow if true and they can advance this technology I can already envision a matter making machine hooked to a 3-d printer.

Im pretty sure a matter making machine IS a 3D printer but I get what you mean.

Im thinking more holodeck and replicator technology