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Obama 'madder than hell' over VA scandal

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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:39 PM
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Obama is "Mad" alright. He's mad about this latest scandal being exposed under his jurisdiction.

Obama had to know all about this because an official testified before Congress that there were problems in 2010.

And of course, the 0bama Administration has their puppets out and around the TV providing all kinds of wild explanations.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs is part of the President's Cabinet and has been under Obama's control since Jan 2009.


Read the TV talking points in the article....



Yes - but what exactly is the president mad about? Is he mad that the VA deliberately falsified records showing that veterans were not being seen at VA hospitals in a timely manner?

Or is he mad that the press found out about it?

At any rate, I guess we're supposed to assume that Barack Obama is "not going to take it anymore," right?


Obama 'madder than hell' over VA scandal







Petzel acknowledged to lawmakers that he had seen a 2010 memo titled 'Inappropriate Scheduling Practices,' which described failures in several of the VA's 21 service regions.

Shinseki, seated next to him, insisted that 'I was not, I am not' aware of it.

Recent revelations blame shoddy management for the deaths of dozens of former soldiers, airmen, sailors and Marines, as administrators in Phoenix – and possibly elsewhere – maintained a secret off-the-books waiting list for veterans in need of critical care.

Veterans Affairs Undersecretary Robert Petzl didn't resign, but was FORCED OUT by Obama administration amid deadly health care scandal blamed for 40 deaths




Obama has an agenda and we now must find out the goals for this VA manipulation



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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:43 PM
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Did he actually say those words ... 'madder than hell'?? If he did ... then that's a crock. Because if he was, then his buddy at the (IN)justice dept, Eric Holder, would be all over this. But he's not. ATS Thread - Eric Holder: No Plans At DOJ to Investigate VA Hospitals


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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

The Obama administration looks at vets as second-class citizens and are beneath his royal peerage.

Obama only gets mad if the court jesters don't dance to his satisfaction.


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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: FlyersFan

The government doesn't investigate itself. It generates smoke and holds up mirrors.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:57 PM
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I think all Americans should be mad as hell, including the president. But lets not forget who keeps voting against veterans.

This is from this year.


Republicans block Senate bill to boost veterans' benefits

A bill to increase spending for veterans' services failed to move forward in the Senate, despite support from 54 Democrats and two Republicans.

A divided Senate on Thursday derailed Democratic legislation that would have provided $21 billion for medical, education, and job-training benefits for the nation's veterans. The bill fell victim to election-year disputes over spending and fresh penalties against Iran.

Republicans block Senate....


GOP Voted Against 7 Bills to Help Veterans

Here's the Bills in numerical order. In short, the GOP has voted TO NOT SUPPORT THE TROOPS at least 7 times. I think that is sufficient to call the GOP House Hypocrites and Phonies.

Bill's Blocked By Republican's Since President Obama Took Office.

David Gregory, John McCain, and the media aren't covering this story so we have to.

Here's a concise extraction for easy viewing for those who are INTERESTED IN VETERANS ISSUES and need to know which party supports veterans and which party does not.

The rejected Bills are named:

H.R. 466 – Wounded Veteran Job Security Act became H. R. 2875.

H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act

H.R. 1171 – Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization

H.R. 1172 -- Requiring List on VA Website of Organizations Providing Scholarships for Veterans

H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act of 2009

H.R. 1803 -- Veterans Business Center Act

H.R. 2352 – Job Creation Through Entrepreneurship Act


GOP Voted Against 7 Bills....
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:58 PM
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The hell what Obama says! It was under his WATCH! Just like the other crap that has happened under his regime.
Suck it up Mister President and stop blaming everybody else and take it like a man!
Oh yeah I can keep my insurance!
Lost mine now I have double the deductibles at twice the price.

Buck up and take responsibility for your FLAWED cabinet.


Oh yeah ...I forgot to add the VA here in Connecticut is also going down the tubes...I know many Vets. that have to depend on the VA heath care.
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And some of my buddies lifers in the military had their pensions cut.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: LDragonFire

Well what about Emperor Obama's mighty 'Pen and Telephone'..... he does know how to use them, right?

You have blamed the Republicans for the VA scandal, don't forget to say that the veterans deserve it because they are a bunch of racists.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Government after government get these scandals coming up all the time, sometimes repeatedly. Of course they are serious for those affected. But, this about the grass roots looking after/not looking after less fortunate grass roots.

What's the point of making political 'points' out of this kind of scandal like those two quotes just to blacken Obama's name?
It's those people at the immediate direct helm who need the shiite shaken out of.
Here in the UK we've had scandals, several in fact, of old folks being mistreated in care homes and, those with special care disabilities being beaten or left. Also guess what? falsified treatment records. It's the system that is at fault. If it was the press that unearthed this, good on them and heads should roll, and things fixed.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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Dammit, those vets wouldn't die quietly without expensive treatments.

I can see why he's pissed...

If his administration is clever enough they can make this a positive political issue for their side.

The truth is that we have treated our vets like crap since well before Obama.

The VA should be ashamed.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:17 PM
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Hmm, mad like this or mad like this



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well he can just get glad, in the same dress he got
mad in.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: LDragonFire

Well what about Emperor Obama's mighty 'Pen and Telephone'..... he does know how to use them, right?

You have blamed the Republicans for the VA scandal, don't forget to say that the veterans deserve it because they are a bunch of racists.


Can you show when Obama and or democrats in congress voted against veterans?



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:13 PM
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Let's take it a step further....

Any American who has ever enjoyed the free life in this country should be mad as hell... Not only mad, but embarrassed at the way veterans have been treated.

They go to fight and risk it all for this country, some never come back alive... Others come back with debilitating injuries, and conditions, some are faced with a bureaucratic system that would much rather kick them to the curb and leave them to die without providing the treatments they need to survive...

We actually have charity organizations that raise funds for vets, without them it could be even worse for some vets.

It's a shame, everyone should be mad about it... No matter what side of politics you are on.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: ausername
The truth is that we have treated our vets like crap since well before Obama.


My conspiracy theory... We have known all along that the above statement is true. And in this election year, the GOP decided to make this an issue and make it look like it's Obama's and the Democrat's fault. But they neglect to mention that it was one of "theirs" who sent these people into war in the first place.

Yes, that's right. We've treated our vets like crap for many years, paying lip service to "supporting our troops". But the GOP decided to use it for political gain.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:33 PM
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Another politically motivated conservative circle jerk.


Did he actually say those words ... 'madder than hell'?? If he did ... then that's a crock. Because if he was, then his buddy at the (IN)justice dept, Eric Holder, would be all over this. But he's not. ATS Thread - Eric Holder: No Plans At DOJ to Investigate VA Hospitals.


Is it common for the DOJ to investigate failures of the VA? Wouldn't that be the job of the VA OIG? If criminal malfeasance is found, then the DOJ would be brought in?



The Obama administration looks at vets as second-class citizens and are beneath his royal peerage.

Obama only gets mad if the court jesters don't dance to his satisfaction.


Is that so? Care to some how back that up or do you think your gut feeling is enough? You're just saying reactionary, baseless things. It's frankly undignified and it robs you of an opportunity to say something meaningful.


Well what about Emperor Obama's mighty 'Pen and Telephone'..... he does know how to use them, right?

You have blamed the Republicans for the VA scandal, don't forget to say that the veterans deserve it because they are a bunch of racists.


Did somebody say that vets "are a bunch of racists?" You're injecting race into an issue that has nothing to do with race. That's race baiting, plain and simple.


Robert Petzel stepped down at the behest of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki. House Republicans scheduled a vote for next week on legislation to give the VA Secretary more authority to fire and demote people. There are calls from both sides of the aisle for further investigations. Whether malfeasance or incompetence, there's a real problem and it's already cost some people their lives but anyone who thinks the answer is politicizing this to score points is delusional.

This whole thread is nothing but partisan propaganda under the guise of giving a f#. You can't even set your abject hatred of one man aside long enough to address a problem in the VA? Buncha damn GOP sycophants.


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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:38 PM
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Its just crazy that republicans would try to make this a political issue after how the bush administration treated vets like these examples:


Bush Administration cuts $1.5 billion from military family housing. The Bush Administration cut $1.5 billion for military family housing, despite Department of Defense statistics showing that in 83,000 barracks and 128,860 family housing units across the country are below standard. ("Nothing But Lip Service," Army Times, June 30, 2003; "House Appropriations Committee Approves $59.2 Million for Ft. Hood," U.S. Rep. Chet Edwards Press Release, June 17,
2003)

Bush Republicans support millionaires instead of military veterans. Bush allies in Congress stopped efforts to scale back the tax cut for the nation's millionaires by just five percent - a loss of just $4,780 for the year - in order to restore this funding for military family housing. ("The Tax Debate Nobody Hears About," Washington Post, June 17,
2003)

Bush Administration underfunded veterans' health care by $2 billion. The Bush Administration's 2004 budget underfunded veterans' health care by nearly $2 billion. ("Vets Health Low on Bush's Priority List," The Hill, September 17, 2003; "Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003; U.S. Department of Veterans' Affairs, September 2002)

Bush Administration proposal would end health care benefits for 173,000 veterans. More than 173,000 veterans across the country would be cut off from health care because of Bush Administration proposed budget cuts and its plan requiring enrollment fees and higher out-of-pocket costs. ("Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003)

Bush Administration budget cuts force more than 200,000 veterans to wait for health care. Over 200,000 United States veterans have to wait more than six months for a medical visit because of health care shortages. ("VA Health Care Funding Alert," Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States Press Release, January 31, 2003)

Bush Administration opposed plan to give National Guard and Reserve Members access to health insurance. Despite the war efforts of America's National Guard and Reserve Members, the Bush Administration announced in October 2003 its formal opposition to give the 1.2 million Guard and Reserve members the right to buy health care coverage through the Pentagon's health plan. One out of every five Guard members lacks health insurance. ("Bush Opposes Health Plan for National Guard," Gannett News Service, October 23, 2003)

Bush Administration cuts $172 million allotted for educating the children of military personnel. The Bush Administration's 2004 budget cut $172 million of impact aid funding. Impact aid funding assists school districts by making up for lost local tax revenue from tax-exempt property, such as military bases. These education cuts will especially affect school-age children of troops serving in Iraq who reside on military bases. ("Support for Troops Questioned," Washington Post, June 17, 2003)

Bush Administration tax cut denies military families increase in child tax credit. The families of 262,000 children of military personnel do not receive the child tax credit increase because the plan fails to cover taxpaying families with incomes between $10,500 and $26,625. According to The Washington Post, the House version of the Bush Administration plan "wouldn't help many of those serving in Iraq." One solider who will not benefit is Army Specialist Shoshana Johnson, the soldier and single mother who was wounded twice in the same convoy as Jessica Lynch. ("Ex-POW's Family Accuses Army of Double Standard on Benefit," Washington Post, October 24, 2003; "The New Senate Child Credit Legislation - What It Does and Does Not Do," Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, June 25, 2003; "Whose Child Is Left Behind," Children's Defense Fund, July 23, 2003)

AWOLBush.com

Republicans continue to screw over veterans to this day.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: FlyersFan
ATS Thread - Eric Holder: No Plans At DOJ to Investigate VA Hospitals


Ah, yes, the neutral thread that started with "Really,Who here at ATS is Surprised to read this news article coming from that Thug!" (speaking of Eric Holder... And the truth is Holder did NOT say he had no plans to investigate. He said he had no announcement to make about it at this time because the VA Inspector General is conducting an investigation. And YOU KNOW THIS from participating in that thread! Yet you regurgitate the same old talking points from the Weekly Standard and the Daily Mail!

The spin, spin, spin is out of control! LOL
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

I was being mostly sarcastic in that post, except for the one line you have quoted.

There should be no partisan politics involved in issues concerning the VA and the treatment of veterans.... None, zero.

The fact that anyone ANYONE would attempt to make it a political issue is frankly, shameful and disgusting...

IMO



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: ausername
The truth is that we have treated our vets like crap since well before Obama.


My conspiracy theory... We have known all along that the above statement is true. And in this election year, the GOP decided to make this an issue and make it look like it's Obama's and the Democrat's fault. But they neglect to mention that it was one of "theirs" who sent these people into war in the first place.

Yes, that's right. We've treated our vets like crap for many years, paying lip service to "supporting our troops". But the GOP decided to use it for political gain.


The biggest crap when a war was a foregone conclusion,



The Irony in this thread is in the OP, "Obama has an agenda", whether Obama has 'An agenda' or not, whatever that is supposed to be, there is no doubt that this thread does have, 'An agenda' and it's stooopid. People taking the party line unquestionably in a two party line is a verbal kind of Hydrophobia, not solidarity.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: xuenchen

The Obama administration looks at vets as second-class citizens and are beneath his royal peerage.

Obama only gets mad if the court jesters don't dance to his satisfaction.


I often go to the VA website. Looks very promising for us Veterans. I read about a few soldiers that their behavior toward the doctors and the VA could have resulted in poor treatment toward the Veteran, but of these deaths, I wonder if they too were patients with behavioral problems toward the VA. I sincerely hope that wasn't the case.

www.va.gov...
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