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Is This The Face of The Zodiac Killer?

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posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: AlteredDimensions

It's not just a matter of finding a single name within the 340. The next step would be to apply that to the 340 as a whole. I can say that within the 340 at one time or another, every single suspects name has been found. Have the names fit in with the entirety of the cypher, not yet.



Penny




posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: AlteredDimensions

Thank makes so much sense! Hopefully this gives them the push they need to run the testing.

a reply to: imitator
It's really hard to see in this image, but in the picture of Van Best on the book cover you can see wrinkles on his forehead.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: 3u40r15m

I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with him but I grew up in the area where these crimes occurred and it directly impacted my parents as two of their friends were victims of this heinous killer.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 06:48 PM
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Here we go again, eh? There have been a slew of purported "Children of The Zodiac" to emerge in recent years. Don't know why, but I purchased this book though have not yet read it.

The case of the DNA is the rub of this entire investigation. From what I have read, the DNA collected was only partial, and may have been tainted by investigators. As far as I know, no new DNA comparison's have been made by the SFPD for any of the new suspects to emerge, and the SFPD is hiding this embarrassing fact.

I feel that the only evidence that'll nail down the true identity of Zodiac will be the discovery of trophies taken from the victims - most notably the still-missing remainder of Paul Stein's blood-soaked shirt.

Jennyfrenzy - which two victims were your parents friends with?



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: JiggyPotamus

Something to keep in mind is that witness sketches are 99.99% never dead on, but only get the "gist".

The problem with comparing an old photo to the Zodiac suspect sketches is that just about every bespectacled male in the 60s had short hair and horn rims.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 06:57 PM
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a reply to: Dscott

That was Deborah Perez. It turned out she was unstable and a notorious liar who had schemed with an attorney to write a book and make them both rich. She claimed her father, Guy Ward Hendricks was the Zodiac.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

A DNA test WAS actually performed back in 2003 or so to tie Arthur Leigh Allen to the case but came back negative.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 07:23 PM
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a reply to: LeddHead

That was the envelope saliva test performed many years later on envelopes that could have been contaminated. Besides he had this thing about toxins.

Funny that. Pertinent he kills but is only worried about a bit of glue. Perfect narcissism is a requirement for serial killers.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: LeddHead

Check your PM, I won't say which victims they were on the thread, out of respect for the families.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

a reply to: intrptr

My only problem with the concept of a separate stamp licker is that it necessitates another person to be involved in a conspiracy of silence. If this were the case, having never had a whistleblower come out and declare "I licked Arthur Leigh Allen's stamps for him!" means someone complicit with the killings is or was out there.

Thus we need to ask the question, were these killings performed by a team? Evidence seems to argue against it.

In the back of my head, I always wondered if the Zodiac killings may have been a Psy Ops experiment in studying mass panic and the controlling effects it creates. The ability of the killer to simply disappear while taunting the police and public so still bothers the heck out of me. The killings being a controlled experiment seem the only answer to any "team" scenario for me.

Interesting side note: there are two distinctly different police sketches of the Zodiac based on eyewitness testimony.





posted on May, 19 2014 @ 07:55 PM
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a reply to: LeddHead

I've wondered if there could have been more than one person involved with the killings, planning and letter writings. The composite sketches are very different, but witness testimony isn't always accurate.
edit on 19-5-2014 by Jennyfrenzy because: Spelling



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 11:54 PM
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a reply to: LeddHead


My only problem with the concept of a separate stamp licker is that it necessitates another person to be involved in a conspiracy of silence.

He could have just held them out too some friend, neighbor, mother whatever and said lick this one and this one and this one. If he paid his bills that way (everyone paid by mail back then), it wouldn't mean anyone had to know what was in all his envelopes. Also doesn't rule out contaminated evidence from which the supposed DNA sample was taken.

To many ifs about DNA. No chain of custody for it.


Thus we need to ask the question, were these killings performed by a team? Evidence seems to argue against it.

Agreed. The killer is full of himself. Look at his costume. Killers like this are loners. They revel in their craft. They will not allow anyone else to take credit. Nor trust anyone else to keep quiet.

Bold and self-sufficient, no conscience or empathy. They taunt the police and media, but primarily their victims.


Interesting side note: there are two distinctly different police sketches of the Zodiac based on eyewitness testimony.

Sketches are not evidence, they are primarily aids. A tactic in the heat of the investigative hunt. "Looks like" but would never hold up by itself in a court of law. That the two "resemblances" to the killer are different means someone mistook the killer for someone else or didn't see them clearly or didn't recall accurately.

Thats the problem with basing any real investigation on sketches. Exclusively they're not worth the paper they are printed on.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

Here are a few points from the book that aren't mentioned here.


In addition to being rather odd and eccentric, Best was known to have a violent streak, especially towards animals and women. Stewart wrote that on several occasions, Gilford (Chandler) caught Best locking his young toddler son (Stewart) in a small wooden trunk (nearly suffocating him) and that she herself, was terrified of him.

Best was paroled from prison on July 12, 1965, two days before his thirty-first birthday. With pressure from her family and the police, his true-love, Judith Chandler, cut off all ties with him. Less than one year later, the first suspected Zodiac murder occurred.

The Zodiac Killer’s female victims all bear a close resemblance to Best’s shunted lover, Judith Gilford.

Earl Van Best bears a striking resemblance to sketches of the Zodiac Killer.

Both Zodiac’s and Best’s fingerprints featured the same diagonal scars (a fingerprint match could not be made because of blood on the print).

Best’s ability to evade police is easily explainable – he studied forensics in college.


Best’s friends recalled him having an unusual, and sometimes creepy, interest in the occult and noted that he often joked about sending “slaves” into the afterlife (a claim Zodiac often made in his letters to the police).


Best had more than a passing relationship with Anton Lavey (founder of the Church of Satan) and even ensured his second marriage took place on 6/6/66 (known by Satanists as Year One of the Age of Satan). At one point, LaVey contacted SFPD telling them that he believed one of his “parishioners” might be the Zodiac killer. To date, the police detective has refused to divulge the name LaVey gave him.

Best likely had a keen interest in serial killers. He once used the false name ‘Henry Lee” [Lucas] on a fraudulent check.

After the final Zodiac letter was sent (and about the time that SFPD Detective Rotea began a courtship with Best’s ex-wife Judy Chandler), Van left the country, travelling and spending time in both Austria and Mexico.

After Earl Van Best Jr. returned to the United States from Mexico, he was arrested several times for drunk driving and is believed to have slipped into a alcoholism. This could be interpreted as Zodiac shifting from serial killing to a life of drunken stupor.

Darlene Ferrin (victim of the July 5, 1969 shooting) told friends that a menacing stranger had been following her and gave her gifts he had purchased in Mexico. Her friend, Linda told investigators that the man bought the presents from Tia Juanna and said that the man had a short name, like “Lee”. Van made frequent visits to Mexico, purchasing books and historical documents that he brought back to America for resale.


SFPD closed the Zodiac case on April 6, 2004, the same day that the author’s mother visited friends (police detectives) at SFPD asking for help in locating the author’s birth father (Earl Van Best Jr.).

One of the Zodiac’s favorite symbols was a “dotted V”, potentially indicating the nickname that Best often went by: Van. In another letter, the signature at the bottom is the combination of an inverted E and a sideways V, a “thinly disguised symbol for “Earl Van”.

Van’s best friend recalled Van’s obsession with The Mikado. As children, they learned every word of the comedic opera. Zodiac used lines from The Mikado in his letters and ciphers.

During the Zodiac murders, Zodiac targeted San Francisco Chronicle reporter Paul Avery with a taunting letter campaign. Unknown until now, Paul Avery had interviewed Best seven years before the Zodiac murders in an article about Best’s love affair with 14-year-old Judith Gilford (Chandler) titled, “He Found Love in Ice Cream Parlor“. According to Stewart, Avery’s account of the affair greatly upset Best.

Judy Chandler went on to marry one of the lead homicide investigators on the Zodiac case, Rotea Gilford. Stewart suggests this connection could have embarrassed the San Francisco Police Department and caused them to “shut down” the investigation.

A handwriting expert, Michael N. Wakshull (author of Line by Line), matched writing from Zodiac’s letters to Best’s signature from his marriage certificate. In a sixty-five page report, he concluded that he was virtually certain that the person who filed out Best’s marriage certificate was the writer of the Zodiac letters.

According to friends and family, when the home of noted Zodiac Killer suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, was searched by police, documents with identical symbols used in Zodiac’s ciphers were found. According to Allen, he had been given the symbols by “someone in Atascadero State Hospital. Best served time at Atascadero, a maximum security facility in California. [see the Zodiac article for more details]

Best’s father was an expert military cryptographer in the Army. He taught Best cryptography and they often worked ciphers together as part of a childhood game. Cryptic ciphers were often included in Zodiac’s communications to police and the press. Many of the ciphers have never been solved.

Earl Van Best Jr.’s name (with purposeful misspellings, a common trait in the Zodiac’s ciphers) is found hidden in at least two of the Zodiac’s cryptograms and his partial name is found in several of the ciphers and cipher keys. In the July 31, 1969 cipher sent to the San Francisco Examiner, his name appears in the cipher and cipher key no less than eight times.

The count of letters in “Earl Van Best Jr” matches the count of the as-yet-unsolved “My name is: “ Zodiac cryptogram. As mentioned.

These were taken from that Altered Dimensions website.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 09:07 AM
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These were taken from that Altered Dimensions website.

Thanks so much for that rundown, DrMesacalito. Nothing like compelling evidence to make my wind blow in a different direction. Now I am waiting for the DNA with a little more open mindedness.

a reply to: Jennyfrenzy

OP: my apologies for my smugness about this case. It appears (if this stuff is true) that they may have uncovered a new suspect. Thank you kindly for remaining patient with me in your thread.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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There are so many coincidences it is unbelievable!

a reply to: intrptr

No apologies necessary! There have been so many people coming forward throughout the years, most are loons. This guy though, I don't know, it might possibly be him. Hopefully the release of these books will get the police in gear and they will run the DNA testing.

There is another book being released by the man that assisted Gary Stewart with the forensic detail of the case.

We always leave traces of ourselves wherever we go.
These traces contain evidence that may eventually be discovered. In 1962, Earl Van Best Jr. wrote some information on a marriage certificate.
Fifty years later, this marriage certificate would be associated with the writings of a serial killer who had never been caught – until now.
Zodiac Solved?

Here are the handwringing comparisons:





The handwringing really is very similar, can there be this many coincidences?

Here are some comments by the some of the police departments:

On Tuesday, police in northern California said they weren’t aware of the book or its claims.
“It’s an open and active case, so we don’t comment,” San Francisco police spokesman Albie Esparza told CNN.
“But (it’s) certainly something our homicide investigators will take a look at.”
Added Capt. Steve Blower of the Napa County Sheriff’s Office: “We have talked to many people over the years. We’ve gotten reports over the years from people who don’t pan out. This case is still open, and we still do accept tips or leads that may have bearing on the case.”
Washington Post

Just run the DNA tests already!
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posted on May, 20 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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a reply to: Jennyfrenzy

Dude, if that is really the handwriting samples from Best and from the Zodiac..... That is way too similar to be coincidence. I'm no expert, but I dont think it takes an expert to see the similarities there.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: youdidntseeme

Here is an image of the handwriting analysis that is much easier to see:


It really looks like an inverted E with a V! His father worked as an intelligence officer, his job was to track and decipher the enemy's coded messages during WWII, yet another coinkydink.


One of the Zodiac’s favorite symbols was a “dotted V”, potentially indicating the nickname that Best often went by: Van. In another letter, the signature at the bottom is the combination of an inverted E and a sideways V, a “thinly disguised symbol for “Earl Van”.



A handwriting expert, Michael N. Wakshull (author of Line by Line), matched writing from Zodiac’s letters to Best’s signature from his marriage certificate. In a sixty-five page report, he concluded that he was virtually certain that the person who filed out Best’s marriage certificate was the writer of the Zodiac letters.


A connection to Arthur Leigh Allen, the "prime suspect" for the Zodiac killings:


According to friends and family, when the home of noted Zodiac Killer suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, was searched by police, documents with identical symbols used in Zodiac’s ciphers were found. According to Allen, he had been given the symbols by “someone in Atascadero State Hospital. Best served time at Atascadero, a maximum security facility in California.


Here we have two of the Zodiac Killer’s ciphers which reveal Best’s name (and variants of his name) a couple of times in both the cipher key and decoded message. Earl Van Best was often called by his nickname, Van which is in the decoded ciphers.



I'm really leaning towards Earl Can Best being the prime suspect in this case. I would not be the least bit surprised if the DNA results are a match.


edit on 20-5-2014 by Jennyfrenzy because: additional info



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 04:37 PM
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originally posted by: Jennyfrenzy

a reply to: imitator
It's really hard to see in this image, but in the picture of Van Best on the book cover you can see wrinkles on his forehead.


I will check out the book, Van Best does fit the bill in a creepy way... the handwriting looks convincing, father was a cryptographer!!! The rough sketch, not so much... but I can see how they do look alike.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 04:44 PM
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I forgot to mention before that the image on the cover was taken February 22,1962 vs the composite sketches which were released October 13th and October 18th, 1969. So we have a little over a 7 year gap.



There are a ton of coinkydinks!
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posted on May, 20 2014 @ 04:58 PM
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Starred and flagged Jenny, wow! Thanks for sharing, that is crazy. I can totally understand your interest. A good reminder for us all to be aware of our surroundings at all times and think "safety first."




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