originally posted by: Rainbowresidue
a reply to: schuyler
#no more pessimism
Don't rain on my parade.
Perhaps I misunderstood our assignment. I thought we were supposed to contemplate what an ideal world would be. That requires us to sketch out how one
could arrive at an 'ideal world.' You were not sketching out our own real world, so I did not take my analysis of our own real world as
contradicting your ideal one. I was simply showing how I believed our current real world is not an ideal place to create a perfect one, not only
because we aren't perfect, but neither is our world. Besides, a university campus with a large library IS my ideal world, which I stated at the
beginning. Surely no one takes issue with that! I don't see that as raining on your parade. Wouldn't you like an infinite library in your ideal
world? Is that the least bit pessimistic?
Part of my issue with [insert whomever here] is that if "they" wanted us to come down here to Earth an "be good" why did they place us on a planet
that is so indifferent to its inhabitants? My only conclusion is that Earth was never meant to be a Garden of Eden. It is quite purposefully a hostile
place to us. It's not a playground; it's an obstacle course.
Now if that's true, it puts an entirely different spin on "ideal world." And it brings up the possibility that the weaponry and warfare so
abhorrent to many of us may simply be a way to create a state of adventure, for if you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to gain. I'm not saying
this is true, nor even advocating it. I AM saying we don't really understand what the real issues are here. I am suggesting, however, that the world
as we see it is fake, and that Shakespeare was correct when he stated that all the world was a stage.
For the record, that is not "the matrix" at all, not even a little bit. In The Matrix we were being harvested for our energy. In fact, the Matrix
idea is not much different than the cartoon, "Monsters, Incorporated," which harvested the screams of children to power the next world. What, pray
tell, is the real difference between the two movies? (Well, Keanu Reeves wasn't Jesus in the latter.) What I am suggesting is that Earth is more like
the Eastern traditions of "Earth as a school," reincarnation advancing souls to the next level, etc. Earth is not the final destination.
Part of your issue was to "be careful what you wish for." Well? That's kind of the idea here. When you guys envision this ideal world without
starvation or hardship, are you in fact envisioning stagnation? Or are you envisioning the next world? Or both? And by contemplating such a place, do
you really want to be there to live your life, or would you prefer simply to be known as an empathetic person because of your expressed desire to go
there? Is that the reason to detail such an improbable place, so you can look at it and prove you are a good person? To me the entire exercise is
eerily close to calling someone else a hater to prove you are not. Sometimes answers to your questions do not fall in lock step with what you want
them to be. You may be an instigator, but not a ruler. That's part of the game.
If you are willing, a great read that more or less explores this issue is Robert Heinlein's "Glory Road." There's a
FREE PDF file of it here
. Take this journey, and you might
understand where I am coming from.