Town's White Police Official Calls Obama N-word - Refuses to Apologize

a reply to: OpinionatedB

What does that have to do with THIS man yelling THIS word in THIS country THIS year at a TV, in a public restaurant, to express a bigoted sentiment? Can you think of an ethnic slur used to refer to Irish slaves that is in use today to disparage people of Irish descent? Were there Irish-only drinking fountains and Irish-only seating areas 50 years ago?

I can't believe this thread is still going. The facts are indisputable:

- Copeland is an elected police commissioner
- He dropped the n-bomb in public
- One of the people who heard it wrote to the police commission to complain about Copeland
- Copeland responded to the person (wow?)
- At a town meeting called by the police commission, residents demanded that he RESIGN and he refused
- He admits that he said it and further refuses to apologize

Can't we all agree that it's wrong for anyone to sit in a public restaurant tossing out racial epithets at the TV? That it's of further concern when the man doing it is an elected law enforcement official?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I see a trend here. Those who continue to accuse people of "playing the race card" have created a new phrase - "Playing the free speech card". They claim you somehow have had your right to say stupid things taken away - when they clearly have not. This moron can keep being a bigot as much as he likes and based on his statements after the fact, he will. Again, his "right" to be a racist loser is still intact.

CJ

If they can take down the Paula Dean empire because she used that work ten years ago thenwhy not this man?A reply to: FlyersFan

My problem with this..And I don't know the context of the conversation..Is that a public official in Law Enforcement is using racially charged language.

That could be a problem when it comes to arrest policy. This is something that SHOULD concern people.

Also, while one does have the reasonable expectation of privacy within their own property. If you have a conversation out loud in a public place and people hear you, your right to privacy is gone.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Imagine if Copeland would have yelled at the TV in a sports bar on Martin Luther King JR. Day, saying "Every time I look at the TV I have to listen to this "#sniping# #sniper#" and his "I Have a Dream" BS!"!

He would have been tarred and feathered! LOL

But, because it's that Kenyan born, commie socialist, secret Muslim, White House impostor (/sarcasm) ....... People rally around, coming up with obscure excuses and ridiculous distractions to justify this obvious ignorant bigotry and hate.

It's amazing!

a reply to: FlyersFan

This cop is actually in the right. He has the right to say whatever the hell he wants. The way I see it is I'm not a slave. So that means I get to say anything I want and if you don't like well I guess that's just too damn bad. Cry me a river. Or call someone who cares.

originally posted by: jude11
A PRIVATE conversation is just that...PRIVATE.

In which he has the right to speak however he wants.

This PC crap is getting ridiculous.

WE HAVE RIGHTS TO OUR OWN THOUGHTS AND CONVERSATIONS...Period.

Peace

There is also a thing called right thinking and wrong thinking. Is it ok to even think about having sex with a minor. Oh is that too extreme? Sorry. I feel that people are what they think about. So private thoughts or not this is wrong thinking. Also he said it he didn't just think it.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, but if he wants it private, he should make sure no one else is hearing. And while he has a right to private conversation, he does not have the right NOT to deal with the consequences of his actions.
- See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doesn't matter if people are around, maybe he is like me and doesn't give a damn who hears him. The consequences of his actions huh....you do realize we are talking about words that came out of a mouth right? They are just words they can only hurt you if you let them.

I also think that just because you can hear a conversation doesn't mean you should listen. But that's humans. We're nosey.

originally posted by: Evanzsayz
I get to say anything I want and if you don't like well I guess that's just too damn bad. Cry me a river. Or call someone who cares.

That's exactly what the witness did. She cared and she called someone who cared.

You have every right to say what you want, but you are not immune to the consequences.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

The problem here, BH, is that racism charges have been leveled so much, to the point of vicious frivolity, that when real racism does take place no one wants to take it seriously. It has also managed to polarize people so much that they are even willing to defend one side over the other regardless of what was being said.

These are, in fact, stupid times we live in.

originally posted by: projectvxn
The problem here, BH, is that racism charges have been leveled so much, to the point of vicious frivolity, that when real racism does take place no one wants to take it seriously.

I absolutely agree. That's why I say this situation is up to the townspeople. It's really none of our business. That's what I said in my first post. I participate in these threads for my entertainment. I don't think I'm going to change anyone's mind or make some kind of impression on other people. It's pretty much a mental and finger exercise for me.

The "real racism" you talk about is the important thing. But we don't talk about that here. It's not sensational enough, and most people here don't even believe it's happening...

These are, in fact, stupid times we live in.

Couldn't agree more.

I saw this in USA TODAY

"These outbursts of bigotry, while deplorable, are not the true markers of the struggle that still must be waged, or the work that still needs to be done — because the greatest threats do not announce themselves in screaming headlines. They are more subtle. They cut deeper. And their terrible impact endures long after the headlines have faded and obvious, ignorant expressions of hatred have been marginalized.''

Like Obama said about the Sterling situation, "When ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't really have to do anything, you just let them talk. That's what happened here."

And that's what happened here.

originally posted by: Evanzsayz
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, but if he wants it private, he should make sure no one else is hearing. And while he has a right to private conversation, he does not have the right NOT to deal with the consequences of his actions.
- See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doesn't matter if people are around, maybe he is like me and doesn't give a damn who hears him. The consequences of his actions huh....you do realize we are talking about words that came out of a mouth right? They are just words they can only hurt you if you let them.

As Copeland is learning, and as you will too, im sure (if you really are the type of loud mouth, no social etiquette person you claim to be), is that your words CAN hurt someone....YOU.

See, most of us fully support your right to free speech. But you have to remember-right to free speech doesn not mean you are free from repercussions.

originally posted by: captaintyinknots

originally posted by: Evanzsayz
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, but if he wants it private, he should make sure no one else is hearing. And while he has a right to private conversation, he does not have the right NOT to deal with the consequences of his actions.
- See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doesn't matter if people are around, maybe he is like me and doesn't give a damn who hears him. The consequences of his actions huh....you do realize we are talking about words that came out of a mouth right? They are just words they can only hurt you if you let them.

As Copeland is learning, and as you will too, im sure (if you really are the type of loud mouth, no social etiquette person you claim to be), is that your words CAN hurt someone....YOU.

See, most of us fully support your right to free speech. But you have to remember-right to free speech doesn not mean you are free from repercussions.

I can only wonder how differently or the same this would go if he had ben caught making anti-semitic comments on a jewish president..

originally posted by: Justwatchingyou

originally posted by: captaintyinknots

originally posted by: Evanzsayz
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, but if he wants it private, he should make sure no one else is hearing. And while he has a right to private conversation, he does not have the right NOT to deal with the consequences of his actions.
- See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doesn't matter if people are around, maybe he is like me and doesn't give a damn who hears him. The consequences of his actions huh....you do realize we are talking about words that came out of a mouth right? They are just words they can only hurt you if you let them.

As Copeland is learning, and as you will too, im sure (if you really are the type of loud mouth, no social etiquette person you claim to be), is that your words CAN hurt someone....YOU.

See, most of us fully support your right to free speech. But you have to remember-right to free speech doesn not mean you are free from repercussions.

I can only wonder how differently or the same this would go if he had ben caught making anti-semitic comments on a jewish president..

interesting thought. it's entirely possible all our presidents have been jewish, which is fine with me. pagan, jew, black, christian, yellow, white, is not the issue and never has been. i think everyone on ats is acutely aware of that by now.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Justwatchingyou

originally posted by: captaintyinknots

originally posted by: Evanzsayz
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Yes, but if he wants it private, he should make sure no one else is hearing. And while he has a right to private conversation, he does not have the right NOT to deal with the consequences of his actions.
- See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Doesn't matter if people are around, maybe he is like me and doesn't give a damn who hears him. The consequences of his actions huh....you do realize we are talking about words that came out of a mouth right? They are just words they can only hurt you if you let them.

As Copeland is learning, and as you will too, im sure (if you really are the type of loud mouth, no social etiquette person you claim to be), is that your words CAN hurt someone....YOU.

See, most of us fully support your right to free speech. But you have to remember-right to free speech doesn not mean you are free from repercussions.

I can only wonder how differently or the same this would go if he had ben caught making anti-semitic comments on a jewish president..

interesting thought. it's entirely possible all our presidents have been jewish, which is fine with me. pagan, jew, black, christian, yellow, white, is not the issue and never has been. i think everyone on ats is acutely aware of that by now.

It would absolutely be completely fine if they were. Only people are less likely to defend anti-semetism under any cover as they are willing to defend under this one.

off topic, somewhat but marginally-related to the subject we are currently skimming:

some friends of ours sponsored a japanese foreign exchange student. he was a friendly, gregarious and delightful fellow. he was completely shocked at the amount of uninhabited land in the usa, because in japan, although they have some wildlife areas, most of the land mass is inhabited, to the point of having to create new landmasses in bodies of water, from refuse. how they manage to live together in such tight quarters without rampant crime is directly related to how they are taught to feel about each other. however, they don't have a great deal of racial variation, as their inter-racial policies are rather xenophobic or perhaps it's more about the amount of available land to live on (i suspect its the latter).

anyway, we have LOTS of open spaces, but can't get along. you KNOW that's being manipulated, and that manipulation is a top down thing.

a reply to: Justwatchingyou

it's being artificially created.
second line not the same as the first.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Sometimes the truth 'is' unpleasant Angry.

But it is not wrong.