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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: luxordelphi
This paper is trying to show that the more powerful AGWs propogate from the ionosphere to the troposphere. This while their motion is horizontal.
You do understand they are talking about solar winds and nothing to do with HAARP.
Might I also add this is just a theory, but again what does this have to do with HAARP and controlling the weather?
Unless you are trying to say we can control the sun and it's solar winds.
Ours are measuring times. Interpretation of our measurements often include pre-supposed quantities measured for us by other measurers. So we can measure electron density or electron spin. And attribute these to cosmic rays/solar wind/gamma rays/tropospheric outgassing, using data for these events collected by others.
a reply to: Phage
No. Rising warm air is what forms storm clouds. It is saying that cloud bands indicate the presence of gravity waves. Like this:
There is nothing in there about cosmic rays. Oh, I see, you think ray-tracing has to do with cosmic rays. No, it's a mathematical method of analyzing waveform propagation.
solar wind influences on mid-latitude tropospheric circulation have been found [7,8,9] although a possible cause-effect mechanism has remained unknown or has been attributed to cosmic ray flux modulation by the solar wind. Recently, the possibility that cosmic rays influence the cloud nucleation process has been raised once again [10,11], but the controversy surrounding these new results has not been resolved [12,13].
Then why does it spend so much time talking about the high speed solar wind and making no mention of HAARP?
I say, that as usual, you use your lack of understanding to twist the actual science to fit your world view. You should try a different approach, taking the time and making the effort to understand what the science actually says. Then you can take the next step.
Yes, I know what the paper says. You asked about a part of a paragraph from it. I told you what it said and included an explanation about what forms storm clouds.
Well...that's not really what this paper says. It says that there's a link between solar wind, the ionosphere and weather in the troposphere.
You mean that there is not much evidence to support the hypothesis? Or do you mean that "they" want to use cosmic rays to control weather?
The whole paper, in a sense, is about cosmic rays because cosmic rays are still first choice for this propagation because the solar wind is not always available and/or there are problems getting into the troposphere and/or gravity waves were too weak. But cosmic rays have so far not co-operated.
You have a speculative study based on a single instance of the formation of cloud bands roughly correlated with gravity waves produced by the fast solar wind. Correlation does not imply causality. There may or may not be a causal connection.
You had a disconnect between weather and the ionosphere. I put up this link to show you that they're joined at the hip.
No they weren't. The stated purpose of HAARP was the manipulation (control) of a region of the ionosphere for research in various avenues.
Since control of the ionosphere was never a stated HAARP aim (they were communicating with submarines - remember?)
Huh? There are hundreds of papers about it.
why would they be telling us what to look for i.e. what the manifestations of this control are?
Do you hear voices often? Those clouds are in the Indian Ocean, in the southern hemisphere...in 2003...when HAARP had 48 antennas...960 KW.
which both Eastlund and the air force are telling me is HAARP spawned?
The stratocumulus cellular clouds that underlie the wave feature are associated with sinking air that is strongly cooled at the level of the cloud-tops—such clouds are common over mid-latitude oceans when the air is unperturbed by cyclonic or frontal activity. This image is centered over the Indian Ocean (at about 38.9° South, 80.6° East), and was acquired on October 29, 2003.
originally posted by: luxordelphi
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: luxordelphi
Eastlund was spot on with his assessment of ionospheric heating capabilities i.e. altering the jet stream; lifting the ionosphere; modifying and creating weather.
Wait, I looked at your links. I must have missed the one that explains how HAARP modified the weather.
Unless you have to "extrapolate" some hidden meaning from each article.
(please pay attention to the way you wrote that sentence. It's almost like you wanted to display it as a fact or something.)
Please see my post just previous. And the one previous to that. In the recent past, less powerful acoustic gravity waves (AGWs) have been shown to propogate from the troposphere to the ionosphere. This paper is trying to show that the more powerful AGWs propogate from the ionosphere to the troposphere. This while their motion is horizontal.
And, while Eastlund rocks, he was not a friend to humanity. If he had been he would have kept his discoveries out of military hands.