originally posted by: boymonkey74
Oh, do you mean submission as in slavery? Nope, no Christian woman is supposed to be a slave. Maybe that works in other religions, but not ours.
Christian women, if they are being repressed, it isn't what Christianity teaches. I see you aren't quite keen on middle and near eastern cultural
practices, which are still be carried out today, there.
The thing about paying the girl's father meant that the father could say no and then the man would be killed. See how that works? The cultural
context of those times meant that if you raped a girl, then you had to compensate for it, much like today, you go to jail today for it. But they
didn't have jails back then.
And the girl had the right to say no. I see how you conveniently left those verses out.
So here's the idea, raping a girl meant that you forcibly took from her a valuable thing, her virginity and future prospects of more honorable
marriage. Virginity was valuable, and still is for some people. To raping her takes away from the dignity of her person, which means you are liable,
which means if you stole a future from her, you are required to recompense. Do you understand what that meant, in a cultural context?
But if her father said no, or she said no, then man, you got stoned to death, simple as that. And if you got her pregnant, then you were responsible
to take care of the child you made.
Amazing how you people just don't know these things.
Submission to your husband, but your husband only, not every man out there because he's a man, doesn't mean to be a slave. Submission means that you
are willing to be a helpmeet, and the Christian man is to be the protector and provider and the one that covers her.
"Husbands, love your wives as Christ loves the church and gave His life for it". The Christian husband is to give his very life for his wife, if
need be. That means you take the vow to give up other women, your parents and everything you think that makes you manly, like bachelorhood trysts,
give it up for her.
Husbands, love your wives as you do your own body, for no man who loves his body refuses to give it nourishment" which means you love your wife that
you make sure she is taken care of.
Your buddies, are they still more important than your wife?
Your mother, is she still more important than your wife?
Your former habits, are they still more important than your wife?
Your looking at other women, are they more important than the beauty of your wife?
You took the vow, live up to it. That's what the Christian husband does.
Somehow, it is always the wives who gets the sermons, though. If my husband were to one day say he would convert to Islam, then he is no longer
faithful to the vow he made to God, and he broke the marriage contract, because the Christian marriage is a covenant, from the covenant God performed
for Adam and Eve, in the Garden. Once he goes against the God he vowed before, and denies the Christ that he professed, he no longer is my covering.
Let the unbelieving depart, I would no longer be bound to him. Simple as that.
Traditional Christian vows are this...
Dearly beloved, we are gathered together here in the sight of God and in the face of this company, to join together this Man and this Woman in the
bonds of Holy Matrimony; which is an honorable estate instituted by God, signifying the mystical union between Christ and His Church. Christ approved
marriage by His first miracle at the marriage of Cana.
The Apostle Paul commended marriage to be honorable among all. Marriage is to be entered into reverently, discreetly, advisedly, soberly and in the
presence of God. Into this Holy Estate these two present come now to be joined.
If any man can show cause, why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him speak now or else hereafter hold his peace.
If you, _ __, and you, _ __, have freely and deliberately chosen each others as partners for life, would you please join your right hands.
_, will you have this woman to be your wedded wife; will you love her, honor and keep her in sickness as in health, in poverty as in wealth, and
forsaking all others, keep thee only unto her so long as you both shall live?
_ , will you have this man to be your lawfully wedded husband? Will you love him, honor and keep him in sickness as in health, for richer, for poorer,
and forsaking all others, keep thee only unto him so long as you both shall live?
, please repeat after me, I, .... take thee, . to be my wedded wife... to have and to hold... from this day forward...for better, for worse.... for
richer, for poorer.... in sickness and in health.... to love and cherish... ’til death do us part.
_, please repeat after me, I, _... take thee, .... to be my wedded husband... to have and to hold... from this day forward...for better, for worse....
for richer, for poorer.... in sickness and in health.... to love, cherish, and obey... "till death do us part.
EXCHANGING OF RINGS
May I have the rings, please? A ring has been for centuries the token of love and the symbol of marital union. This is because a ring has no end and
true love has no end. The Scripture tells us that Redemption, through Christ’s death and resurrection, has put us in the church and brought us into
a relationship with Jesus Christ. The Church is the Bride of Christ and His love for the Church never ends and nothing can ever separate Jesus from
those he loves.
_, as you give this ring to you are saying, " I love you with a love that has no end like this ring and with a love so strong that I would die for
you as Christ did for His Bride." To symbolize that love would you take this beautiful ring and place it upon the third finger of the left hand? As
you do, you will give it to her because you love her, and she will wear it to show the world her love for you as her life shows her love for
Now, , you are saying, " , I , too want to show my love, and I show you that love by placing this ring upon your finger. I give my life, my love, and
my heart and as in love I submit unto the Lord, my Savior, I submit in love unto you, my husband." In so doing would you please place the ring upon
the third finger of his left hand? You will give it to him because you love him, and _, you will wear it as your commitment to and your willingness to
sacrifice all for her, as Christ