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Which Origin of GOD Do You Believe Exists?

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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

2) Where and when did this god originate?
I think that God, us (ordinary people), and the universe all came about at the same time.
That doesn't mean that we didn't exist in some sense before that, but we wouldn't have been in the physical sense.
God would mean in the singular, the conglomerate of all the individual gods, just like Man would mean the conglomerate of all individual people.
All the entities who existed before the physical universe would have, at the time of the existence of a universe, differentiated into the two groups of beings which would inhabit the universe.




posted on May, 14 2014 @ 03:54 PM
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a reply to: jmdewey60

So the universe is only around 300 thousand years old then? thats how long we have been about more or less.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 04:02 PM
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1.) I believe in the God of the Old and New Testament. I believe what it says when it says He is the Alpha and Omega. He simply IS, WAS, and always WILL BE.
2.) As I mentioned above God IS. He exists outside the notion of time, so it is immaterial to Him. He isn’t anchored in space/time the same way we are, so I’m not sure how much it profits us to ponder where and how He began. Dimensions beyond the concept of four are still theoretical, so it’s difficult enough just pondering what existence might be like for a being existing in five or six or more dimensions without trying to imagine where or how they get their beginnings. And that’s assuming God is that simplistic.
3.) As I suspect most people who are believers here are going to say, I was raised to the faith. However, I was raised Methodist, and my beliefs have changed considerably since then. Certainly, I know my base beliefs no longer align closely with what the Methodist church says its base beliefs are these days. From looking around at the base beliefs of other sects of Christianity, I guess my core beliefs align most closely with Evangelical although my personal attitude is certainly far more relaxed than most people would think of an Evangelical attitude being. I guess I would say I am a Christian without a home.
I believe in God and Christ because I have deep, personal feeling that they are the truth. I’ve also found myself being drawn to certain teachings on my own or turned away from things that I was previously taught. Maybe it was just my gut instinct, but it sure felt like something more, like that deep quiet voice that I can sometimes almost hear in my prayers. There are the times when everything looks like it’s coming to disaster, and you are “told” not to worry because everything will work out OK. Or there are the times when you feel alone and afraid and single, simply prayer brings enormous comfort – I grew up in a haunted house and whenever I felt afraid of what was in our house, all I had to do was seek prayer, call on Him and that fear went away. It never failed.
4.) I have studied some other faiths, most notably Islam directly after 9/11 because I had some Muslim students in my classes and I felt I owed it to them to understand their faith. I won’t say that I saw nothing attractive to any of those other faiths. That would be a lie, but none of them felt exactly right. All of them had aspects that I found troubling to me, personally. They were like trying on prom dresses that had ill-fitting seams. Faith shouldn’t be ill-fitting. It should fit you perfectly or else you will never be comfortable and content with it.
5.) I do my best to follow what God and Christ told us to do. Since God is the source of the faith, I guess then the answer is yes. However, I also know that no one lives without sin, including myself. That’s why we have salvation through faith, because none of us is perfect. That doesn’t mean I take license to do whatever I want. It means I acknowledge that I am not perfect although I strive for perfection every day in my daily walk. I spend time at night reflecting on where I failed and ask for it to be revealed where I failed and am unaware of it. After all, the hardest sins to change are the sins of character like pride because they are the hardest to spot in oneself.

The Bible, itself, is a good source for wisdom. It’s full of object lessons on the human sins of character. What you need to read the Bible is good discernment to know what is intended to be history and what is intended to be a lesson or teaching or even a prophecy. And you almost always have to consider the text in context. For the most part, I consider it the inspired word of God, not the literal word.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

So the universe is only around 300 thousand years old then? thats how long we have been about more or less.
Maybe on this particular planet.
You could believe in the Battlestar Galactica explanation of where we came from before we were here.
Except that the ships just appeared, fully formed, with us in them, when the universe started.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 04:57 PM
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God is Jeff bridges from tron legacy and we are the ISO's!!



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 05:01 PM
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a reply to: jmdewey60

Then explain how we are related to Chimpanzees? seeing genetics have proved it.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
I give up on you guys... There is no point in trying to make a civil discussion if no one wan't to participate. Jeeze. Some of you guys really don't contribute to squat. You're just here to muck it all up.


Not really. The problem here is that you mucked it up in the first place. You decided to make these "Gods" separate entities when there is no rational reason to do so. The best answer is to say, "They are the same God," but you reject that in a fit of pique. It's a common problem with multiple choice, but the fact you divided these out the way you did shows either a simplistic understanding of the origins of the Abrahamic "God" or a willful misrepresentation.

You COULD decide to learn from this, but judging from your reaction so far, that option is doubtful.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

Then explain how we are related to Chimpanzees? seeing genetics have proved it.
Everything in the physical realm is made of the same basic stuff.
So all the living creatures have similarities.
Some just happen to be very similar to human beings concerning the flesh of their bodies.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 07:24 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
I would like to have a civil discussion on this topic. This is not a discussion as to whether or not GOD exists. If you do not believe so, that is perhaps for another post. If you believe in none, you are welcome to list none, but at least answer the other questions that go along with it.


1) Which GOD do you believe exists?

God of the Old Testament


Yes


God of the New Testament


Yes


God of the Old and New Testament


Yes


God of the Koran


NO!


Insert Your Own Choice be it what many would call mythology, or another current belief system.


blank


2) Where and when did this god originate? In other words, what is the origin and from which source?


Eternal existence, known in the ancient world pre-Judaism.


3) Why do you believe in the god you've listed? Do you have a personal experiance that made you believe?


Because I know God, yes, personal experience.


4) Why do you follow this belief vs the others?


I don't personally know any other gods. No, I would not worship a strange god.


5) Do you follow this belief according to the source? Do you feel there may be discrepancies with the belief system you follow?


God is the source, no discrepancies in Him. The Bible, yes the written source. Nothing in it is contrary to what I know about God. I use the Bible to judge every spirit from, to know whether the spirit is from God or not. I am not to receive any other doctrine from any person or angel, even if it sounds nice, because it just might be a liar. So judge by the Holy Spirit and the Bible.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 08:22 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

1. God of the old and new

2. Honestly, I am not sure on that.

3.Just feels right. I have had occasions where I feel I was being watched over.

4. I don't exactly stick to just that. It's hard to explain. I feel that what you believe is personal and I praise my own ways and I do it alone. I actually appreciate other religions and kinda of combine some of those things. Hope you can understand that explanation.

5. I covered this in question 4. I agree and disagree with some things in all religions.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

God is the entire Universe.

"The supreme being is a thousand-headed, thousand eyed, thousand footed; He pervades the Universe on all sides, And extends beyond the ten directions."

"live in complete harmony with Nature, experience the grace of God in the splendor of the Universe."

The Holy Vedas. Over 8000 years old.
edit on 14-5-2014 by ladybug121 because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
I give up on you guys... There is no point in trying to make a civil discussion if no one wan't to participate. Jeeze. Some of you guys really don't contribute to squat. You're just here to muck it all up.


MODS, you may as well delete this thread. It's obviously pointless. I'm done with it from the get go. This is exactly why I don't even care to contribute to this site anymore.

Chaos... Pure Chaos... Does no one believe in any kind of direction anymore?


I was going to go into a lengthy "civil" discussion about my beliefs while sticking to the questions that were relevant in your op. But since you went on some sort of preteen tyrade after only three people politely gave you their opinions, I will just say,,,

Have a nice day.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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To me your post is very, very ignorant.

You are just as ignorant and the dumb ignorant world. Why do you make things so much more difficult than they are?

Because you are so egotistical, you don't ever give your mind a chance to calm down and stop with all it's nonsense. The ego is always trying to deny the truth and make simple things complex. The ego is always trying to separate things and cause arguments, when things should be looked at from the original perspective of harmony. The media and controllers love how people like you are stuck in their ego - because it is so easy for them to lie and for you to suck it up and run with it! Not because you believe in anything in particular but because you want to argue about what it is not! See the whole world your conscious is in is a world of delusion and a world of denial. You are separate from spirit, making yourself separate from the one that we really are.

I am unhappy that so many people in the world are ignorant like you. The denial goes so deep that there is no way for you to learn. God could come down from the sky, and you still will not learn, you still will not believe what you are being told even if God himself told you - because you are stubborn - that is the essence of ego in every way.

I am not in this argument by any means. I am saying that I recognize you as a negative mind and I recognize that if you were to say anything it would be an argument because of being so egotistical, nothing is good enough for you.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:38 PM
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You can't even learn history because you believe all of the people who lie and disbelieve all of the people telling the truth. That is maybe the favorite thing of the ignorant worldly ego - it needs to fulfill it's own delusion so it purposely ignores all of the voices telling truth in the world and just believes the worldly delusion that the egotistical world of judgmental hypocrites work hard in conveying through the media, withholding information, and telling lies.

So no, I don't have any hope in you or them.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:43 PM
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1) Which GOD do you believe exists?

God of the Old and New Testament

2) Where and when did this god originate? In other words, what is the origin and from which source?


"After We crossed the river of life, we came to a place Jesus called Eternity where there are many windows of Heaven. And then we stood upon those windows and Jesus put his hands upon my eyes. He said: "Percy look out into Eternity, that is from where the Father and I came from" I walked in Heaven with Jesus

3) Why do you believe in the god you've listed? Do you have a personal experience that made you believe?

You nailed it, supernatural personal experiences that left me KNOWING God was very real.

4) Why do you follow this belief vs the others?

Simply because of the fact that God revealed Himself to me personally and left absolutely no room for doubt.

5) Do you follow this belief according to the source? Do you feel there may be discrepancies with the belief system you follow?

Yes & no...



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:51 PM
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originally posted by: doompornjunkie
a reply to: StallionDuck

I believe that god originated in the minds of people who could not explain the natural world around them. How did the ground get here, the fish, the oceans, the stars? All of these are questions ancient people could not answer, so instead they created gods, which in turn answered all of the above.


Well, if we are being honest unless you have some kind of faith you still cannot answer those questions.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:04 AM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
I would like to have a civil discussion on this topic. This is not a discussion as to whether or not GOD exists. If you do not believe so, that is perhaps for another post. If you believe in none, you are welcome to list none, but at least answer the other questions that go along with it.

Let's see how that goes.

I'll edit this part of my post and BOLD what everyone that's responded seems to not be seeing. Wondering why some people refuse to read everything before posting

1) Which GOD do you believe exists?

God of the Old Testament
God of the New Testament
God of the Old and New Testament
God of the Koran
Insert Your Own Choice be it what many would call mythology, or another current belief system.

2) Where and when did this god originate? In other words, what is the origin and from which source?

3) Why do you believe in the god you've listed? Do you have a personal experiance that made you believe?

4) Why do you follow this belief vs the others?

5) Do you follow this belief according to the source? Do you feel there may be discrepancies with the belief system you follow?


I ask that all be civil in this discussion. I'm curious of the many beleif systems of those here on ATS. It's also a great way for me to read about other beliefs beside my own and may have me exploring other interesting religions aside from my own.

I will also participate:

1) GOD of the Old and New Testament.

2) To my knowledge, it started, according to how it is writen in both books, around 6,000 years ago. Carried down by the Hebrew people, known later as the Jews and continued by the Catholic religion some 2,000 years ago.

3) It feels right. My personal experianes come in the form of a 6th sense, or an internal voice if you will. No, I do not hear voices... It's a quiet, but strong voice inside. Some might call it a concious, but to me it differs from my concious but one and the same. When I pray for things, I find that they all come to pass in one form or another, usually within days, and sometimes right away, so long as it doesn't affect free will or come by greed.

4) I found this belief from being raised into it. I wandered many years in search of my own way, just believing in general and following no set religion, but even still, I follow what the Old and New Testament says as truth. I've looked into other beliefs, but they don't feel right to me, rather, they do not "speak to me" in the way that they do not feel natural to me. This could be because of my upbrining in this faith, but I also believe that other religions are pretty much the same. (Baptist, Full Gospel, Catholisism, etc)

5) I try to follow it according to the source, the Bible, but I find that today this is very hard to do. I still believe the source is correct but being able to follow 100%, I come really short of a good bit of it. Just because I don't follow it doesn't mean I don't believe it. It's either not possible due to modern laws/society, and the fact that I find myself without the strength and will to escape the temptations of a lot of what is around me. Are there descrepancies? I personally do not feel there are. I think a lot has to do with wording and how things were translated but only on a minor scale. Some things translated, I feel, are worded differently but mean the same thing. I think there is a deeper understanding that many people do not take into consideration, they only use the surface of the words and what's writen to judge those that do believe but fail to see the truth and the reason behind what is writen.


There ya go, folks! Your turn!




1.) The God of both the New and the Old Testaments.

2.) God didn't originate. He has always been, and always will be. The very first verse of the Bible proves that He is outside of and beyond what we call "time". It is a human concept. "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." The "beginning" refers to the start of our "time" concept. In order for God to create something in the "beginning", that means He would have to be around before the beginning. The dateless past and infinite future are something we will not be able to fathom until those types of questions are answered for us in Heaven.

3.) The Holy Spirit moves upon us all. Those whose hearts are willing to accept it, will indeed accept it. Those who are not, will not accept it. There is no more important reason for my accepting the Father who sent His Son, and Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, other than the Holy Spirit had moved upon my heart, and I was willing to accept it. There are countless things that have happened along the way which all only further strengthened my faith.

4.) For the same reason as my answer for #3. I am forever grateful that my Lord and Savior offered to put Himself in the place of this sinful race, that "whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." This world is so corrupt, and it as deteriorated drastically in comparison to how it was in the beginning. Why would someone not want to live in an eternity of peace and happiness by the sides of our Heavenly Father and our Lord Jesus Christ?

5.) I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God. The Authorized King James Bible is the only version which has not been changed in any way. When read with a humble, prayerful frame of mind, it is very easy to understand the plan of salvation, and the teachings which our Heavenly Father has given to us in both the New and the Old Testaments. People assume the Bible is wrong, simply because they cannot understand it; or, simply because they have hardened their hearts against the tugging of the Holy Spirit at their hearts.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:10 PM
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Text I think that God, us (ordinary people), and the universe all came about at the same time. That doesn't mean that we didn't exist in some sense before that, but we wouldn't have been in the physical sense. God would mean in the singular, the conglomerate of all the individual gods, just like Man would mean the conglomerate of all individual people. All the entities who existed before the physical universe would have, at the time of the existence of a universe, differentiated into the two groups of beings which would inhabit the universe.

Are you saying God and the universe materialized at the same time by another source? Don't quite understand your premise. Could yo explain this concept to us?



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:13 PM
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You only listed the Abrahamic gods... just saying..

I do not believe in any..... reason, because there is no proof other than personal experiences.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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Are you saying God and the universe materialized at the same time by another source? Don't quite understand your premise. Could you explain this concept to us?
I'm just rehashing a theory that I have brought up on this forum several times.
It is based on a concept of the immortality of something unique to each person.
If you believe that it reaches a level of what you might call "eternal", as distinct from something that has a start but not necessarily an end, then you would have to conclude that (this personal 'thing') goes back to before there was a physical universe.
If there were all these spirits or whatever that existed in some sort of non physical, pre-universe, then they could have all gotten together, for lack of anything better to do, and jointly scheme up a universe and somehow cause it to happen, using that situation as an opportunity to form a sort of collective super mind.
As soon as the physical universe began, the conjoinment would have ceased, meaning the death of a virtual entity that was not immortal but served one purpose.
So the theory creates a 'dying god' explanation pf creation, which is sort of universal to world cultures, and you can see the concept in action in the movie, Hell Boy II, where there is a elemental described as the "last of its kind".
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