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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: hiii_98
exactly, I will not be responding. if someone takes this as me being deceitful so be it. I'm done with this guy and I did provide a response earlier in this thread. It is an attack rather than a discussion at this point.


originally posted by: hiii_98
I think WakeUpBeer is the sociopath.

Stop acting like I'm attacking you, and that you haven't avoided my questions. You answered one question, one that wasn't a direct challenge to your claims. It was never a discussion with you. And before you play the "authors don't make money" card etc. consider how weak an argument that is. Consider the fact that I have been more than willing to listen to what you have to say and that when faced with criticism you ignore it and don't rise to the challenge. There are way more issues with the Skinwalker Ranch case than what I've brought up. Yes I realize many people are involved but guess what, that doesn't mean anything in terms of its legitimacy either. It just makes it a conspiracy.


originally posted by: hiii_98
I am here to answer questions you may have about current and past activity on the ranch.

I urge everyone to read my post here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
And to take a more scrutinizing look and decide for yourselves if I'm "a troll skeptic" that's out to attack Ryan or if he is avoiding some of the questions that suggest perhaps Skinwalker Ranch isn't all it's cracked up to be.


originally posted by: cuckooold
Have you included all of Ryan's responses in the link you left me?

Yes, unless I missed one by mistake. I was very thorough.

I won't post in this thread again because it's painfully clear I won't get any real answers, and I don't want to drag it out. Nobody likes when that happens.

PS



It's possible that he may have issues with the way the questions are being framed - perhaps your own responses could be perceived as being antagonistic.


originally posted by: hiii_98


It's possible that he may have issues with the way the questions are being framed - perhaps your own responses could be perceived as being antagonistic.

This is exactly how I feel.


originally posted by: WakeUpBeer
Maybe we just got off on the wrong foot and misread each others intentions.

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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: WakeUpBeer

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that you've pretty much bombarded this thread with endless questions, comments, quotes, and various other aggravations making it nearly impossible, for those of us who are sincerely interested in what the OP has to say, to follow the thread. I cannot be the only one who had a few questions for the OP, but never got the chance because of all the BS that you've bombarded his thread with!

I don't blame the OP one bit for not responding to your plethora of questions and demanding comments. Your comments and replies are an example of maximum trolling, at it's finest, and it's totally annoying.

If you don't agree with the OP or do not feel he is being sincere, why even bother to post or ask him anything? You're ruining this for the rest of us who are REALLY interested in this topic.

So please, just
. Thanks.





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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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To the OP:

I have listened to this radio show on two different occasions and am curious about something. You and the host are talking at one point about other areas of high strangeness and someone, very briefly, talks about the Upper Ohio River Valley.

Could you please elaborate on this? I did a little bit of research and didn't find much. If you are not sure, could you maybe point me in the (general) right direction?

Thanks a ton. You are VERY brave to have spent so much time at the ranch. There is something SO intriguing to me about this story. When I read about it or watch something about it, I get like anxious and excited...Like a weird gut feeling type of feeling. Anyhow, it's sort of hard to explain but I've never really felt anything like that like I do/did when I learned about Skinwalker Ranch...

I would be SO stoked to learn more about that itty bitty snippet of info you all shared about the Ohio River Valley. TIA and keep up the awesome work!

BTW, it was this video I heard it on:




posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: lovebeck

In all fairness the ops thread title says " just wrote a new book on skinwalker ranch happy to answer ANY questions you may have"

It does seem to me that the op only wants to answer questions that are in his favor.



posted on May, 17 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: lovebeck
To the OP:

I have listened to this radio show on two different occasions and am curious about something. You and the host are talking at one point about other areas of high strangeness and someone, very briefly, talks about the Upper Ohio River Valley.

Could you please elaborate on this? I did a little bit of research and didn't find much. If you are not sure, could you maybe point me in the (general) right direction?

Thanks a ton. You are VERY brave to have spent so much time at the ranch. There is something SO intriguing to me about this story. When I read about it or watch something about it, I get like anxious and excited...Like a weird gut feeling type of feeling. Anyhow, it's sort of hard to explain but I've never really felt anything like that like I do/did when I learned about Skinwalker Ranch...


I am not familiar with what our conversation was regarding the upper Ohio investigation. I have never done an investigation there. Which radio show was I on? I felt exactly the same way when I read Hunt for the Skinwalker the first time. Same gut reaction and almost giddiness. I still get that reaction right before the sun goes down when I'm near the ranch. Thank you for your kind words.
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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: lovebeck

It does seem to me that the op only wants to answer questions that are in his favor.


I have answered both skeptic and believer and middle of the road questions alike on this thread. I am not being voted for, or trying to win a popularity contest. Believe what you want, however I choose to come here to announce the new book and to answer questions those already interested in Skinwalker Ranch may have. I am now beginning to remember why I no longer visit ATS. This nonstop attack by skeptics that I see launched at good people here on ATS all the time. Its not just me I see this done to other authors and outspoken individuals. There is a difference between answering questions and being attacked. I'm not a politician believe my story (and countless stories shared by others) or not, buy the book or DONT, come to your own conclusions, just keep the negativity out of it. I think I will retire to my own forum.



posted on May, 17 2014 @ 09:58 PM
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originally posted by: hiii_98

originally posted by: lovebeck
To the OP:

I have listened to this radio show on two different occasions and am curious about something. You and the host are talking at one point about other areas of high strangeness and someone, very briefly, talks about the Upper Ohio River Valley.

Could you please elaborate on this? I did a little bit of research and didn't find much. If you are not sure, could you maybe point me in the (general) right direction?

Thanks a ton. You are VERY brave to have spent so much time at the ranch. There is something SO intriguing to me about this story. When I read about it or watch something about it, I get like anxious and excited...Like a weird gut feeling type of feeling. Anyhow, it's sort of hard to explain but I've never really felt anything like that like I do/did when I learned about Skinwalker Ranch...


I am not familiar with what our conversation was regarding the upper Ohio investigation. I have never done an investigation there. Which radio show was I on? I felt exactly the same way when I read Hunt for the Skinwalker the first time. Same gut reaction and almost giddiness. I still get that reaction right before the sun goes down when I'm near the ranch. Thank you for your kind words.


I thought you were the guest on this show:



However, I must be mistaken...Anyhow, that book does/did freak me out. If I am ever any where near Utah, I will visit that area some day. Of course, if I can find out more about the area of the Ohio River Valley they are talking about, that would be a whole lot closer for me.

There are tons of Indian mounds not too far from where I live and I have heard stories associated with those areas, but it doesn't even compare with Skinwalker Ranch. In the radio show they talk like there is such a place near the Upper Ohio River Valley, but then they quickly go to another subject. I may try to contact the uploader through Youtube because I cannot find much online...Just a bunch of ghost stories and stuff about the Mothman (another fave of mine). Thanks for the response!



posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:41 PM
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originally posted by: hiii_98
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask My own great grandmother is full blood native. Sorry you came to your own conclusion regarding my comments. Not sure where I ever said native ways are all evil.... actually I never did. the more that I think about it I didn't even use the word "evil", I said opens doorways. You wouldn't believe the rifts opened by early white pagan rituals to Moloch, or the South American Azteca gateways. Maybe your too rooted in social context to fully appreciate this discussion.

One single practice done by a very small minority. Not only that but the natives I am referring to PREDATED the traditional American Indian.



No my comments werent directed at you bud, I was inquring more about Bo Xians point of view because it was a little confusing to me really where he stood on the issue......

He did clarify tho so thats good.......

As to the thread and the book im about halfway through the bookand have enjoyed it very much, I look forward to checking out this Base in Texas and seeing what its about



posted on May, 17 2014 @ 10:47 PM
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posted on May, 17 2014 @ 11:50 PM
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I've hiked and camped extensively thru out AZ, Co, Ut, Nv and parts of NM and Ca. Spent considerable time in areas people consider hotbeds of activity for a little bit of everything out of the norm. I've seen some very interesting stuff but nothing that couldn't be rationally explained. Then there's people that make claims of (almost) unbelievable events after event happening to them. Maybe I should be careful what I wish for buuuuuuut why can't this kind of stuff happen to me? I feel cheated in some ways.

I found this book review to be of interest and thought others may as well.
Ryan feel free to correct or explain anything you may feel as inaccurate.






Review of Ryan Skinner’s book Skinwalker Ranch: Path of the Skinwalker (ISBN 978-1-304-69541-3). Published by Lulu, 2013





Ryan Skinner's book describes some strange experiences that he and three associates have allegedly had on, or in the vicinity of, a 480-acre ranch in the Uinta (or Uintah) Basin in north-east Utah. For ease of expression, I've outlined the stories without using distancing terminology ('alleges', 'claims', 'purports', etc.).

Unfortunately, Skinner doesn't give much historical information about the ranch, so I'll start by providing some, drawing on Chapter 16 of my 2012 book Zones of Strangeness: An Examination of Paranormal and UFO Hot Spots.

BACKGROUND

The Uinta Basin has reportedly been the setting for UFO activity over many years. It's discussed in an interesting book by Dr Frank Salisbury, entitled The Utah UFO Display. It first appeared in 1974. An updated version was published in 2010, and includes an informative section on the aforementioned ranch.

The ranch is located about two-and-a-half miles south-west of Fort Duchesne and is surrounded by the Uintah and Ouray Indian Reservation. Known colloquially as the 'Skinwalker Ranch', it has attracted much attention over recent years, because of claims that it's been the setting for UFO sightings, cattle mutilations, poltergeist-type effects, and other anomalies.

The first book to focus on the phenomena at the ranch was Hunt for the Skinwalker, by Dr Colm Kelleher and George Knapp. It was published in 2005. Although very readable, it appears to contain some serious errors.

In the religion and lore of the Native American tribes of the south-west USA, a skinwalker is an evil, shape-shifting witch. Kelleher and Knapp (p. 44) state (apparently on the basis of information provided by a man known as Junior Hicks) that the ranch has been declared off-limits to members of the Ute tribe, because it supposedly lies in the path of the skinwalker - hence the figurative use of 'skinwalker' in the title of Kelleher and Knapp's book, and the colloquial name given to the ranch. However, in the 2010 edition of his book, Frank Salisbury notes (p. 225) that the Native American stories that Hicks heard DON'T apply to much of the ranch, although Hicks reported that the ridge forming its northern boundary is of special significance to Native Americans and they refuse to go there.

Funded by the US billionaire Robert Bigelow, an organization called the National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) was established to study anomalous phenomena. In 1996, Colm Kelleher went to work for it. In August of that year, NIDS bought the Skinwalker Ranch from its then owners, Terry and Gwen Sherman (referred to, pseudonymously, as Tom and Ellen Gorman in Kelleher and Knapp's book). The couple and their two children had been there for about two years, and had reportedly witnessed a succession of bizarre and harrowing events. Following the change in ownership of the ranch, NIDS personnel also experienced strange phenomena there.

According to Hunt for the Skinwalker (p. 193), Kelleher left NIDS in 2004. By then, nothing of note had apparently happened for quite a while. Frank Salisbury informed me that he had been hoping to make a visit to the ranch in September 2009. He contacted the caretakers, who explained that they would have to check with Mr Bigelow. About two hours later, Salisbury received a call from Colm Kelleher, who wouldn't permit the visit. Evidently, then, Kelleher was still associated with Bigelow, and was still involved in some way with the ranch.

Kelleher and Knapp's book makes the following - apparently inaccurate - assertions about the property and the people who owned it before the Shermans: (1) The previous owners bought the ranch in the 1950s. (2) It had been unoccupied for almost seven years when the Shermans arrived, although the owners would visit it a couple of times a year to check that the fence lines were intact. (3) The previous owners put some very strange clauses in the property sale contract, stipulating that there was to be no digging on the land without their receiving prior warning. (4) The Shermans found that every door in the ranch house had several heavy-duty dead bolts on both the inside and outside; all the windows were bolted; and there were indications that the previous owners had chained large guard dogs to both ends of the building.

These claims are challenged by testimony cited in the 2010 edition of Frank Salisbury's book. It appears that the previous occupants, Kenneth and Edith Myers, had bought the property around 1933, starting with about 160 acres and then increasing their holding by buying further parcels of land. Dr Garth Myers, a former paediatric neurologist (now deceased), told Salisbury that his brother Kenneth had died in 1987, after which his (Kenneth's) widow continued living at the ranch until about 1992. She died in 1994, whereupon Garth Myers and his sisters inherited the property, which they sold to the Shermans. Regarding the matter of digging on the ranch, Garth said that the only stipulation in the real estate contract was one retaining oil rights for the sellers. He denied that there was a profusion of locks at the property, although he explained that there were small sliding locks on cupboards inside; and he denied that his late brother had ever used large guard dogs.

Hunt for the Skinwalker (p. 16) states that the greatest concentration of high strangeness in the Uinta Basin has always been at the Skinwalker Ranch. But Garth Myers told Salisbury that he'd been close to his brother and sister-in-law, and that "[t]here was nothing, unequivocally, absolutely nothing, that went on while [they] lived there" (quoted by Salisbury, 2010, p. 219). As a teenager, Garth had worked on the ranch for three summers, without apparently seeing UFOs. In an e-mail to me in November 2010, Frank Salisbury explained that a couple of weeks previously, he'd visited the Uinta Basin with Jacques Vallee (a well-known writer on the UFO subject), and they'd interviewed a number of people, including the son of John Garcia, whose ranch adjoins the Skinwalker Ranch on the east. (Garcia is referred to, pseudonymously, as 'Mr Gonsalez' in Hunt for the Skinwalker.) Garcia's son explained that when he was a teenager, he'd worked for Kenneth Myers and had got to know him quite well, but Myers had never said anything to him about UFOs or other strange things on his ranch.

Salisbury considers the possibility that Kenneth and Edith Myers refrained from telling Garth about UFO sightings because he was sceptical about such matters. But Salisbury indicates that there's only tenuous evidence for that proposition: Hicks seemed to recall an assistant at a drugstore telling him that Edith Myers had UFO stories to tell.

Terry Sherman was a key witness regarding many of the events mentioned in Hunt for the Skinwalker. Salisbury (2010, Chapter 8) refers to lengthy telephone conversations he'd had with him, and Sherman's contending that many of the things in Kelleher and Knapp's book only resembled a true account of his experiences. Salisbury states that Sherman basically supported Garth Myers' version of the history of the ranch.

In talking to Salisbury, Sherman was somewhat guarded about what had occurred at the ranch. But what he said, along with information from Junior Hicks, convinced Salisbury that strange phenomena had indeed occurred, even though some of the details in Hunt for the Skinwalker appear to be wrong.

SKINNER'S STORIES

In the early hours of what appears to have been 1st January 2008 - Skinner's book is slightly confusing about the precise date - he and his wife-to-be, Iryna, were driving on the Interstate-70 road in Utah when they became aware that a ruby-red, aerial light was following them. They pulled over and stopped. Shortly after, they saw three entities heading towards them. They couple sped away, with the ball of light still in pursuit. They pulled into a rest area. Thinking that truck drivers would be asleep in their vehicles, Skinner tried to attract their attention, by repeatedly sounding his horn. But that was to no avail. As he looked about, he noticed a number of seemingly abandoned cars, with their doors hanging open. The light that had been following them went away and suddenly vanished over a ridgeline. Looking into one of the cars, which had three of its four doors open, Skinner noticed items inside, including a mobile phone and a purse.

After resuming their journey, the couple had further UFO and alien entity sightings. They managed to capture some of the light phenomena with a video camera. They pulled off the road at one point, and Skinner states (p. 41) that several hours passed before they continued their drive. It's not clear whether he's suggesting that they were amnesic for some of that period (i.e. whether they'd experienced 'missing time').

Skinner discovered that the strange events of that night had occurred close to the Skinwalker Ranch, and he became obsessed with the paranormal. This led to the break-up of his marriage with Iryna.

Although he's apparently made numerous investigative trips to the Uinta Basin, Skinner's 169-page book goes into detail about only two of them. During the first one, he met up with a man called Ian Borden (for all I know, that could be a pseudonym), who had moved from Salt Lake City to Fort Duchesne. They drove out at night to a fairly remote spot, within hiking distance of the Skinwalker Ranch, and, among other things, heard a strange, mechanical voice and then saw flashing red, white and blue lights. Skinner thought they'd been detected by the local native police. But then the lights shut off and the voice ceased. Unaccompanied by Borden, who was concerned about trespassing, Skinner ventured on to the territory of the Skinwalker Ranch. He saw a ball of light coming towards him, tried to video-record it, and then made a fearful retreat.

Back home, in a rural part of Wisconsin, Skinner was disturbed on three consecutive nights by the sound of knocking on his front door, although when he checked, he saw no culprit. Then, from the fourth night, the disturbance took the form of his doorbell ringing. Eventually, he decided not to respond to it. But he was awoken later – that same night, I presume – by the sound of footsteps lumbering towards his bedroom door; then it sounded as if the intruder were shifting weight from one foot to the other outside the door. But a calm feeling had come over Skinner, associated with the idea that by turning his attention away from them, he would be depriving the phenomena of their strength. Over time, the manifestations became less frequent, and then they ceased.

On the second visit to the Uinta Basin detailed in his book, Skinner was accompanied by his brother Tyson. They set up camp in the area that Skinner had been to with Ian Borden, and Skinner again made a nocturnal entry into the territory of the ranch. Feeling unwell, his brother didn't accompany him. But both of them had anomalous experiences. For example, Skinner describes a face to face encounter with what he calls the "Skinwalker", in the form of a wolf-like creature. Over a walkie-talkie he was carrying, he learned that Tyson was in considerable distress – Tyson claimed that “something” was with him. Skinner hurried back to him over the rough terrain. He states that he threw back the flaps of their tent and came face to face with his brother. At this point, the main text abruptly ends! It's followed with "TO BE CONTINUED..." and then a page of information about the author.

PROBLEMS

People who've paid for this book might feel cheated by its abrupt and unsatisfactory ending, and also, perhaps, by its rather limited content. If Skinner has made numerous other trips to the Uinta Basin, couldn't he have at least included a summary of the relevant findings or experiences? He's signally failed to explain what the “something” was that upset his brother while he (Skinner) was some distance away, on the Skinwalker Ranch. Of course, that may be deliberate, a way of whetting his readers' appetites, so that they'll promptly buy the next volume!

Skinner's website (www.skinwalkerranch.com...) includes the 1974 edition of Frank Salisbury's book in its list of "Recommended Skinwalker Books". But it's the 2010 version of Salisbury's book that's more relevant, since it discusses the ranch and seriously challenges the accuracy of some of Kelleher and Knapp's assertions.

Skinner's descriptive style is long-winded and unnecessarily convoluted. As do Kelleher and Knapp in their book, Skinner reports snatches of conversation in the form of direct quotations. Assuming they're not entirely fabricated, I suspect that, in the main, they're reconstructions from memory. But that's a dubious ploy in a supposedly factual book, since it introduces an element of fictionalization.

The book contains black-and-white photographs, but the captions are hard to read, because the font is too small and is relatively indistinct. There's a drawing on p. 134 with some associated text, but the latter is hard to read, even with a magnifying glass!

Unfortunately, the book has no index and no bibliography. It's sprinkled with typos, grammatical errors and other mistakes. For example, 'Santa Claus' is rendered as "Santa Clause" (p. 32), and the word 'for' in National Institute for Discovery Science (NIDS) is replaced with "of" (p. 114). Skinner also manages to get the abbreviation wrong, rendering it as "NIDs" (on p. 114, for example) or "NID" (p. 129).

In connection with his visit to the Uinta Basin with his brother, Skinner states that he needed to head NORTH to get to the Skinwalker Ranch, which implies, of course, that they were south of it. However, from other details he gives, I get the impression that he actually approached it from the north during both of the visits described in the book.

LACK OF CORROBORATION

As noted above, some of the incidents that Skinner describes involved companions. Given that his marriage with Iryna broke down, it might not have been feasible for him to obtain a publishable statement from her. But it would have been helpful if the book had contained accounts, in their own words, from his brother and from Ian Borden.



posted on May, 17 2014 @ 11:55 PM
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ughhhh that's from the first book I ever wrote, book 1. Keep in mind the new book is co-authored with DL Wallace (or whatever pseudonym he choose). These are two completely different books. Everything in that review IS ACCURATE, it forced me to become a better author and I'm glad I had the chance to learn from it. Please keep on topic as this thread is about the new book, which again has NOTHING to do with the first one. I never posted a thread announcing my first book on ATS as it was more of a personal diary to myself and for my children to read one day of what happened to me... I wanted to immortalize the event. This new book is the fascinating stories of others living on or near the ranch, the background of the Skinwalker, native legends, and secret documents. Only my personal experience and how I reflected on it was outlined in my first book (not much mass appeal for that)

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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 12:08 AM
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I feel that it is very much still on topic considering you ended the book with "To be continued" Would the new book not be an extension of? It also gives others a little more background on the subject and yourself. I learned many things that have not been covered in this thread but are pertinent to the topic.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 01:08 AM
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In the 'Hunt for the Skinwalker', a stealth type aircraft with disco-like lights is mentioned. Have you ever seen this craft, and do you have any idea what it may be? Something else I've heard mentioned is that no digging is permitted, and it is speculated that something exists underground (alien base, military facility?). Do you have any thoughts regarding this, and have you experienced anything that leads you to believe there is something there?
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: cuckooold
In the 'Hunt for the Skinwalker', a stealth type aircraft with disco-like lights is mentioned. Have you ever seen this craft, and do you have any idea what it may be? Something else I've heard mentioned is that no digging is permitted, and it is speculated that something exists underground (alien base, military facility?). Do you have any thoughts regarding this, and have you experienced anything that leads you to believe there is something there?
sorry I cant stay away from this topic. No I have never seen the stealth type aircraft. IN book 1 my brother sees something that he claims looked like a miniature stealth fighter. I myself have never seen a physical craft.

In regards to no digging, it is because the Meyers made a clause in the sale contract with Shermans that no digging was allowed because I have been informed that a child had died on the property and was buried there, hence they did not want him dug up. This had nothing to do with digging up a secret base to my knowledge. I have ZERO knowledge of there being any manmade entrances to a secret base below Skinwalker. However I have heard somewhere north of Whiterocks (dark canyon?) that there is a entrance to a underground base. A insider is rumored to have said this. Again a "rumor". *IF there is a entrance I personally believe it would be under Bottle Hollow Reservoir. There are numerous cases of ufos seen emerging and submerging into the lake. (a few miles north of Skinwalker). Again speculation. The Shermans (previous owners) described seeing on multiple occasions stealth like triangular aircraft flying out of the portals, again I myself have never seen evidence of this. But I have not spent enough time on or near the property to property confirm this.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:08 AM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder
I feel that it is very much still on topic considering you ended the book with "To be continued" Would the new book not be an extension of? It also gives others a little more background on the subject and yourself. I learned many things that have not been covered in this thread but are pertinent to the topic.


the new edition of book 1 has a ending and "to be continued" has been removed (and rewritten). I decided to go a completely different direction with book #2. It is NOT an extension of book 1. Book 1 was a highly personalized almost diary of what happened to me. Book 2 is more for public consumption and contains far more information pertaining to the background of Skinwalker Ranch, current theories, and the stories of others.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:21 AM
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Hello OP, congratulations on your book on this fascinating topic. It really baffles us all and further research seems the only way to get more answers.

In that regard, having read this thread so far, I feel it appropriate that all critical questions are being asked. It is a good way to test your own skills as an investigator (which should not necessarily be confused with questioning your integrity).

I hope you still like to address the questions WakeUpBear raised. In my opinion he/she is as much looking for the truth on this topic as you are.

It made me think of a comment from Jacques Vallee, who considered his skeptics with much regards, because it kept him sharp and they made some valid points to question his own interpretation of the phenomena.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:26 AM
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originally posted by: LivingUnderGlass
Hello OP, congratulations on your book on this fascinating topic. It really baffles us all and further research seems the only way to get more answers.

In that regard, having read this thread so far, I feel it appropriate that all critical questions are being asked. It is a good way to test your own skills as an investigator (which should not necessarily be confused with questioning your integrity).

I hope you still like to address the questions WakeUpBear raised. In my opinion he/she is as much looking for the truth on this topic as you are.

It made me think of a comment from Jacques Vallee, who considered his skeptics with much regards, because it kept him sharp and they made some valid points to question his own interpretation of the phenomena.


You mention Jacques Vallee, keep in mind Jacques Vallee was on Bigelows NIDs team of advisors. So if all of this is a hoax the very man you mentioned was involved... I am NOT interested in defending the topic or myself, I'm interested in answering relevant questions based on what I know. Again if this a problem then disregard all I say, call me and all the other people in involved in this case a hoaxer, and please move to another forum (not directed at you necessarily). I don't need the negativity, it is counterproductive to a discussion on this important topic. If you have a single question that he has raised that you would like to know please pose it in a constructive manner and I will entertain it.
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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:42 AM
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In Vallee's own words, he wasn't directly involved with the NIDs team at the ranch. According to Vallee, the accounts were told to him by those who were reportedly on-site. When asked for more details he declined citing the non-disclosure agreement.

It could have been a hoax that he wasn't privy to. It could have been a hoax and he was used as a physical 'appeal to authority.' Or it could have been a social experiment in belief systems and the NDA was a tool to protect those involved from answering questions. I favour the latter and no longer believe that anything in the original book happened as described.

I'm not questioning your claims or saying that to criticise you or your book.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:42 AM
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originally posted by: hiii_98

originally posted by: LivingUnderGlass
Hello OP, congratulations on your book on this fascinating topic. It really baffles us all and further research seems the only way to get more answers.

In that regard, having read this thread so far, I feel it appropriate that all critical questions are being asked. It is a good way to test your own skills as an investigator (which should not necessarily be confused with questioning your integrity).

I hope you still like to address the questions WakeUpBear raised. In my opinion he/she is as much looking for the truth on this topic as you are.

It made me think of a comment from Jacques Vallee, who considered his skeptics with much regards, because it kept him sharp and they made some valid points to question his own interpretation of the phenomena.


You mention Jacques Vallee, keep in mind Jacques Vallee was on Bigelows NIDs team of advisors. So if all of this is a hoax the very man you mentioned was involved... I am NOT interested in defending the topic or myself, I'm interested in answering relevant questions based on what I know. Again if I this a problem then disregard all I say, call me and all the other people in involved in this case a hoaxer, and please move to another forum (not directed at you necessarily). I don't need the negativity, it is counterproductive to a discussion on this important topic.


Hello OP. To clarify just in case: I am not stating (or for my part implying) that you are a hoaxer, nor that these events aren't true. I am personally very fascinated by it as well.

If your passionate about something, I can understand your passionate responses when questions seem negative or questioning your integrity. That is however, speaking for myself, not the case. I find your efforts admirable.

Yes, I knew about the involvement of Jacques Vallee.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 06:56 AM
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AM about half way through the book. It remains of high quality, imho and worth reading for those interested in the topic.

I may be limiting my responses publicly more than I initially planned.

I too need to reduce the contentious negativity so easy to experience hereon. And, I need to reduce the vulnerability to the PTB's dinking with my life in destructive ways. So I'm planning to back away somewhat from their hot-button . . . sacred . . . mutilated cows . . . etc.

If I have something to say to you that I think might be toooo something, I'll PM you.

PLEASE be careful . . . in many cases INTENSE CURIOSITY was sufficient spiritually legal 'authority' to release a LOT of very evil creatures into folks homes, lives, families.



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