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originally posted by: Danbones
what was it the hopis were saying:
"when the house falls out of the sky…"
“And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.
originally posted by: RationalDespair
a reply to: Arnie123
It's not a dream, it's reality. From your avatar I can see "Land of Giants BIG BAD USA", and that alone tells me how biased you are against anything that is not pro-USA. That's alright though, I'm also proud of my own country, but I'm not blinded by it.
Right now, it's a simple fact that the USA relies on Russian technology and infrastructure to get into space, or more specifically, the ISS. So Russia does hold all the cards, and honestly I don't see any change in that any time soon. The USA is practically bankrupt and has no means to start a new space programme; neither the funds, nor the technological means to get it done so quickly. 2020 is only 6 years away and in development terms that is not very long.
That aside, I should make clear that I'm not a proponent of any of these actions, neither from the US nor Russia. Both are playing dangerous games and I live right in the middle of it.
Two Boosters Complete for Orion Spacecraft's First Flight Test
February 25, 2014
Delta IV Heavy booster
One of the Delta IV Heavy boosters that will be used in Orion’s launch this fall is turned around for loading onto the Mariner cargo barge.
Image Credit: NASA/MSFC/Emmett Given
Two of the boosters that will help send NASA’s Orion spacecraft into space for the first time are on their way to Florida.
Orion will launch on top of a Delta IV rocket this fall, and two of the rocket’s three boosters were rolled out of the United Launch Alliance (ULA) facility in Decatur, Ala., and loaded onto a Mariner cargo barge Feb 21.
ULA is constructing the Delta IV for the flight test of Orion, called Exploration Flight Test-1, or EFT-1. From ULA, the boosters will arrive at Cape Canaveral, Fla., in early March for final processing prior to the launch. A third booster is still in fabrication at the Decatur facility.
originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
LOL the USA is practically bankrupt. LOL what a laugh.
The only thing Russia could hope to win against America would be a snowball fight
The space shuttles were decommissioned. They weren't sold off for parts. All they need to do is fire them up again. i reply to: Flavian
Wishing the big bad USA away won't make it happen.
The U.S. had hoped to keep the aging ISS floating until 2024. Rogozin said after 2020, Russia will likely pull its money from the space station and move it to a "project with more prospects." Rogozin also slammed NASA for drastically scaling back its space exploration projects in recent years. "The Russian segment can exist independently from the American one," he said. "The U.S. one cannot." - - Jordan Valinsky
The only thing Russia could hope to win against America would be a snowball fight.
originally posted by: intrptra reply to: AutumnWitch657
Bearing in mind that Hitler and Napoleon were both defeated by that winter sport. But I guess the US thinks it will be different this time. They thought that in Afghanistan, too.
Big step from losing there to defeating Russia.
originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
Russia? Take away our keys to the front door of ISS?? Whatever for?! We didn't do anything wrong!
I mean, it's not like we aren't responsible and always looking to the bright side of things with eternal optimism right? It's not like we don't have the very best in mind for the ISS and it's long term continued success. NASA wouldn't even think anything but full speed ahead and to the stars! .....right?
NASA to De-Orbit International Space Station In 2016
Well.... That was back in 2009.....
Details of NASA's International Space Station Disposal Plan Revealed
Hmmm..... 2010 didn't look much better fir optimism...
ASAP discuss plans to deorbit the ISS via the use of two Progress ships
Oh dear... That was in 2012!
Bringing down the ISS – Plans for Station’s demise updated
and....2013. The plan has evolved, but NASA seems a little hung up on talking about the destruction of the INTERNATIONAL Space Station. Check the 2009 Popular Science coverage on this and you'll see it hasn't always been 2028 talk, either. Not by a long shot.
Perhaps we make Russia and the other nations a bit nervous with this disposable approach we take to everything. We'd have trash'ed MIR MUCH sooner under NASA and that's not lost on them either, I'm sure.
Perhaps it's that ISS wasn't even done when the first planning started in public view and in the public square for the deliberate obliteration of it.
This is why we can't have nice things these days. We get to acting like we determine outcomes and everyone else just has to agree to deal with it.
I believe we're about to be told to deal with it......
Prior to being nominated as NASA Administrator, Griffin was serving as Space Department Head at Johns Hopkins University's Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Md. He was previously President and Chief Operating Officer of In-Q-Tel, Inc., and also served in several positions within Orbital Sciences Corporation, Dulles, Va., including Chief Executive Officer of Orbital's Magellan Systems division and General Manager of the Space Systems Group.
Earlier in his career at NASA, Griffin served as associate administrator for exploration from August 1991 through March 1993, becoming chief engineer in March 1993 through January 1994. He also served as deputy for technology at the Strategic Defense Initiative Organization. He has been an adjunct professor at the University of Maryland, Johns Hopkins University and George Washington University, where he taught courses in spacecraft design, applied mathematics, guidance and navigation, compressible flow, computational fluid dynamics, spacecraft attitude control, astrodynamics and introductory aerospace engineering. He is the lead author of more than two dozen technical papers, as well as the textbook, "Space Vehicle Design."