originally posted by: kruphix
a reply to: Krazysh0t
How can someone be racist without knowing it? If I don't like black people or jews or some other random label, I'm pretty sure that is a
conscious decision that I have made or been taught. This is nonsense.
It's not nonsense...sadly it is the reality.
People claim they aren't racists...but are radically against illegal immigration....but for some reason only on the southern border. They say they
aren't racist, but wouldn't want their daughter to marry a black man. They don't see color...but they hope that black family that just looked at the
house next to them doesn't buy it. They aren't racist...but only English should be spoken in America. They aren't racists, but jokes about
minorities are hilarious to them. They can't comprehend why affirmative action is needed. They don't understand how our long history of systematic
discrimination has contributed to an unlevel playing field for minorities.
Let's break that down one by one shall we:
"but are radically against illegal immigration....but for some reason only on the southern border."
I've never seen this. Every person I've ever spoken to about illegal immigration would have no problem deporting an illegal immigrant from England or
France if he were to be caught.
"but wouldn't want their daughter to marry a black man."
This is either denial or the person lying to you about their opinions on black people. In either case the person is aware they are racist, they just
aren't as vocal as you'd like them to be about it.
"but they hope that black family that just looked at the house next to them doesn't buy it."
"but only English should be spoken in America"
This has NOTHING to do with race. Every country has a native language and English is America's. Most other countries don't require bilingual ability
to live in it, I can see why other people may be frustrated by this as more and more foreign speaking people migrate. Especially since this only
started to become a problem as our illegal immigration problem picked up. Immigrants beforehand would learn English or learn how to cope with it. That
being said, this is an issue I don't care about, but like I said, I can see where they are coming from.
"but jokes about minorities are hilarious to them."
What's wrong with stereotypes? Are you trying to deny that they exist and that they may be funny at times? How about you explain why it is ok for
minorities to joke about white people with impunity while white people who do the opposite are automatically racist?
"They can't comprehend why affirmative action is needed."
You should study Libertarian philosophy it is very anti-affirmative action, with none of the reasons being race related.
"They don't understand how our long history of systematic discrimination has contributed to an unlevel playing field for minorities"
Blanket statement about an undefined group of people. How do you know there aren't better solutions than AA to promote a more diverse
workplace/school environment? Yet because it's drilled into us constantly that AA is necessary, no one wants to explore other options, meanwhile
unqualified individuals keep getting put in positions over qualified people all because of their skin color (hey look at that, AA results in racism
against white people)
Oh, and my very favorite...those that call blacks the "N" word...because they say it to them selves.
It's just a word. By continually saying that it is THEIR word and only THEY can use it because of its history, black people are giving more power to
the word. Using a word while not understanding its significance doesn't make you a racist.
Also if they want to use it, then they are just going to have to get right with other races using it too. Contrary to what they think, they do not
have sole ownership of that word. If they don't like other races calling them that for racist reasons then they should stop using it between
themselves. It's as simple as that.
Either you live in a magical fantasy land, or you in fact know plenty of racists...you just don't recognize it as being racists. The reason
they don't think they are "racists" is because they don't see their views as abnormal or false...they aren't racists because they believe their faulty
racists views are just simple facts.
I never said I don't know racists. Everyone is racist to a degree. That doesn't mean that they let it rule their world view though. And that is where
the distinction needs to be made. What's wrong with disliking someone for any reason? Why is it so taboo to not like someone else anyways? As long as
you don't act on that hate or do something that causes them hardship, what does it matter? Some white kid says a dirty joke about black people to his
friends. Who is he hurting?
The fact that you can't comprehend how people can be racists without knowing it speaks volumes.
No it doesn't.
How do you know that? How do I know that? I am only making my judgment on the words you have written in this post...and I just call it like I see
Because you are employing the EXACT same strategy that I am admonishing. You are calling me racist for pointing out a very real problem with how we
label racists. It's nice that you elaborated on your points, but to me, all I see now is someone who views me as a racist (for dumb reasons) and will
use that against me when they want to win the argument.
Why do you seem so focused on others calling out racists if it doesn't effect you at all?
Because I get called racist all the time for not liking Obama's policies or because I'm an agnostic and don't like Christianity or because I don't
like the state of Israel. None of those are reasons to label someone a racist. Yet here you are, labeling me a racist because I DARED to call out
people who cry wolf all the time. How about going back and CAREFULLY rereading the WHOLE op again.
edit on 14-5-2014 by Krazysh0t because: (no