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I have been ''Advised''? Thats rich. I have only seen a bunch of opinions, all of which I have responded to, as required. You haven't contributed anything towards the thread subject, besides emotional banter and opinion. So change that or stay out of other peoples conversations.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
You've been advised that you know nothing about Jews (as per WarmInIndy,,
Haven't I?
You haven't contributed anything towards the thread subject, besides emotional banter and opinion.
So change that or stay out of other peoples conversations.
These two things contradict each other.
The only reliable source is the Qu'ran and the Ahadith. If people cannot draw evidence to back their accusations from these two writings, there argument is null and has no legitimacy. I'm not just saying this about Islamaphobes either, this could apply to many Muslims also who have invented a counterfeit style of Islam which leads people to believe what they do when it comes to "Moons Gods, 72 Virgins" etc.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
These two things contradict each other.
You are just admitting that those documents are not always used as a guideline, but we need to follow those to supposedly know how to define Islam (in order to consider any potential criticism).
But there is a problem and that was my point.
No so it's not the Qu'ran that is the problem, it's the ignorance of men.
My posts are on the thread for anyone to read, review and respond to. As for you, I don't even know you on these forums and I sure dont need to justify my posts to you. Either address the subject matter directly or else stop wasting my time.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
And please, how are you contributing anything........
I ignore or laugh off baseless claims about islm, that people wave around as ''fact''. Or better yet, I point out that those ''facts'' (moon worship etc.) were fabricated by a known anti-islamic fraudster with fake degrees called Robert Morey. He is the originator of retarded moon god theories, often parroted by ignorant christians.
originally posted by: DarknStormy
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
The issue I have with the Islam bashing is the lack of evidence from the scripture itself. This leads me to believe that there is no evidence as to what most of the islamaphobes continually try to push. The ideas and so-called proofs these "reliable sources" apparently provide is nothing more than an easy way to scare off any potential interest in the religion though the things which are being said and the accusations are in fact completely false.
One of the better known and most controversial assertions Morey made about Islam is that God in Islam is in origin the "moon god" Hubal, a deity worshipped at the Kaaba in pre-Islamic Arabia." Morey argues that the same name of God of Islam, Arabic Allah, was an epithet of Hubal's in pre-Islamic Mecca. He also cites a 1950s era archeological excavation in Hazor, Israel, in what was ancient Galilee, in which a decapitated male statue was unearthed which some archaeologists thought might be Hubal. Morley claims that this provides that moon worship existed in Arabia. He argues that Muhammad adapted it to create Allah, thus supposedly explaining the use of crescent moon imagery in Islam. This "Allah as Moon-god" theory has been widely repeated, adapted and criticised.
He claims that he holds an honorary doctor of divinity (D.D.) in Islamic Studies from the Faith Theological Seminary, located in Pakistan. The Seminary in question denies this and even ordered him to remove the "qualification" from bio and even threatened legal action. They also called his claim to the degree as being "illegal and fake".
He also claims that he holds a PhD in Islamic Studies from the Louisiana Baptist University (LBU)... an unaccredited institution that is not recognized by the U.S. Department of Education or by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation. Even further, he claims the PhD he holds was for "Islamic studies"... a course that is non-existent in the LBU's curriculum.
Another point to note is that LBU, where he got his "PhD" is listed in Steve Levicoff’s book Name It and Frame It?: New Opportunities in Adult Education and How to Avoid Being Ripped Off by “Christian” Degree Mills - a book about institutions offering bogus degrees for money.
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
9 At the first time the land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephtali was lightly touched: and at the last the way of the sea beyond the Jordan of the Galilee of the Gentiles was heavily loaded. 2 The people that walked in darkness, have seen a great light: to them that dwelt in the region of the shadow of death, light is risen. 3 Thou hast multiplied the nation, and hast not increased the joy. They shall rejoice before thee, as they that rejoice in the harvest, as conquerors rejoice after taking a prey, when they divide the spoils. 4 For the yoke of their burden, and the rod of their shoulder, and the sceptre of their oppressor thou hast overcome, as in the day of Median. 5 For every violent taking of spoils, with tumult, and garment mingled with blood, shall be burnt, and be fuel for the fire. 6 For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace. 7 His empire shall be multiplied, and there shall be no end of peace: he shall sit upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom; to establish it and strengthen it with judgment and with justice, from henceforth and for ever: the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this. 8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel. 9 And all the people of Ephraim shall know, and the inhabitants of Samaria that say in the pride and haughtiness of their heart: 10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with square stones: they have cut down the sycamores, but we will change them for cedars. 11 And the Lord shall set up the enemies of Rasin over him, and shall bring on his enemies in a crowd: 12 The Syrians from the east, and the Philistines from the west: and they shall devour Israel with open mouth, For all this his indignation is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still. 13 And the people are not returned to him who hath struck them, and have not sought after the Lord of hosts. 14 And the Lord shall destroy out of Israel the head and the tail, him that bendeth down, and him that holdeth back, in one day. 15 The aged and honourable, he is the head: and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. 16 And they that call this people blessed, shall cause them to err: and they that are called blessed, shall be thrown down headlong. 17 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men: neither shall he have mercy on their fatherless, and widows: for every one is a hypocrite and wicked, and every mouth hath spoken folly. For all this his indignation is not turned away, but his bend is stretched out still. 18 For wickedness is kindled as a fire, it shall devour the brier and the thorn: and shall kindle in the thicket of the forest, and it shall be wrapped up in smoke ascending on high. 19 By the wrath of the Lord of hosts the land is troubled, and the people shall be as fuel for the fire: no man shall spare his brother. 20 And he shall turn to the right hand, and shall be hungry: and shall eat on the left hand, and shall not be filled: every one shall eat the flesh of his own arm: Manasses Ephraim, and Ephraim Manasses, and they together shall be against Juda. 21 After all these things his indignation is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
17 As a woman with child, when she draweth near the time of her delivery, is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs: so are we become in thy presence, O Lord. 18 We have conceived, and been as it were in labour, and have brought forth wind: we have not wrought salvation on the earth, therefore the inhabitants of the earth have not fallen. 19 Thy dead men shall live, my slain shall rise again: awake, and give praise, ye that dwell in the dust: for thy dew is the dew of the light: and the land of the giants thou shalt pull down into ruin. 20 Go, my people, enter into thy chambers, shut thy doors upon thee, hide thyself a little for a moment, until the indignation pass away. 21 For behold the Lord will come out of his place, to visit the iniquity of the inhabitant of the earth against him: and the earth shall disclose her blood, and shall cover her slain no more.
Yikes!
. . . and the altar of the Cross is our salvation!
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: mrphilosophiasYikes!
. . . and the altar of the Cross is our salvation!
Our salvation is repenting, then going on living a life to righteousness.
We should take inspiration from the risen Christ who is our surety of our own life after this one is over, if we accept the invitation from God to receive His spirit that will lead to good works.
This part is correct if you understand "faith" as following God's spirit that we receive through Jesus' work as intermediary in order to live righteously in a manner according to God's standard.
It is only through faith in Jesus Christ the Son that we can be made pleasing and acceptable to God, . . .
This part is problematic in that there is no biblical support for it and is just so much pagan theory, that is, if by "expiated" you mean paying for sins.
. . . for it is only by the perfect atoning sacrifice of Christ Yeshua that our sins are expiated.
I realize people think that, but I think this interpretation is a product of the great Trinity debates back in the forth and fifth centuries.
. . . for He is the Word of God . . .
and once again you repeat the same baseless Robert Morey-esque nonsense. Why dont you start posting chick tracts
originally posted by: FlyersFan
a reply to: sk0rpi0n
He's just one of MANY people who say the same thing. And he isn't the source of the questions. Everyone can see muslims running between hills like the pagans .. you can't deny it. The faux-indignation and deflection doesn't fly.
The thread is dead anyways.
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Mulla Sadra is often described as a metaphysical revolutionary because of his uniquely posited doctrine of existence. The analysis of existence commences with the ontological distinction between the Necessary (the principle, God) and the contingent. God is pure existence without essence, quality or property that undergoes change or motion.
The second doctrine is the modulation and gradation of existence (tashkik al-wujud). The semantics of the term ‘existence’ and its modulated singularity commits Mulla Sadra to a reality that is equally modulated and singular. Existence is a singular reality, as the phenomenal experience of existence as multiple is illusory. But multiplicity in this world still needs to be explained. Different existents in this world are thus different, intense degrees of a single whole. Thus there is a horizontal and a vertical hierarchy of existence that is connected and involved in a whole chain of existence.......................
plato.stanford.edu...