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Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'The doors of the Catholic Church are open to everyone'

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts



Everything about different alien races, underground bunkers or a craft held by the US is nothing but rumors from the conspiracy crowd. All the testimonies who say they have proofs of alien bodies, like Greer in his latest movie, are hoaxes to get money from gullible people.

How do you know, Sir?



All we have to support these hypothesis are testimonies from people who are into things like channelling, conspiracies, etc. Not a single element of material proof so far, after almost 70 years.

We have plenty of material proofs of the reality of UFOs, pictures, videos, readings, etc.

But about aliens, secret bases, secret contacts, we have nothing but testimonies. Nothing else. You would expect at least one or two material proofs after all this time, like for UFOs. But no. Nothing.


All the people who are/were seriously into the subject acknowledge it (Hynek, Vallée).

All the people who claimed to have discussed with aliens or to have info about aliens have been, after investigation on their background, always been related to one of these things:
- they were hoaxers (like Adamsky)
- they were cult leaders (like Rael)
- they were scammers (like Greer)
- they were actually doing channelling (so basically talking to spirits in their head)
- they had an experience similar to sleep paralysis
- they were psychologically unstable


So either they were manipulating people for money or fame, either they were hallucinating or insane.

If you have only one single indisputable proof of alien contacts and communication, like we have for UFO (pictures, radar readings), I challenge you to post it.

Don't think I did not studied the subject in detail.

Like Mulder, I do want to believe, seriously. But so far there is 0 exploitable proof or information. Anything out there is dubious at best, and hoax or manipulation at worse. And yet I would be very happy if someone gave me material, tangible proof of alien visitation.




This is not about the possibility of alien life. It's already widely accepted by all science that alien life is not only probable but likely.

It's about alien visitation. That's an entirely different topics, and those who study alien visitation testimonies will all tell you this phenomenon is more psychological than material.

So seriously, what do you want to disclose if there is nothing to disclose? The public is already accepting the reality of alien life anyway.
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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: iamhobo


Pope Francis has said that he would be willing to baptise aliens if they came to the Vatican, asking “who are we to close doors” to anyone - even Martians.

Pope Francis says he would baptise aliens: 'The doors of the Catholic Church are open to everyone'




Yes, you read correctly -- Pope Francis wouldn't mind baptizing aliens. It blows me away how different the Catholic Church is today than 10-20 years ago. You'd never hear of the Vatican coming out and saying the stuff it does today, back then.



In a homily yesterday dedicated to the concepts of acceptance and inclusion, Francis recalled a Bible story about the conversion of the first pagans to Christianity, according to reports on Vatican Radio. He said Catholicism was a church of “open doors”, and that it was up to Christians to accept the Holy Spirit however “unthinkable” and “unimaginable” it appeared.

Describing how, according to the Bible, Peter was criticised by the Christians of Jerusalem for making contact with a community of “unclean” pagans, Francis said that at the time that too was “unthinkable”. “If, for example, tomorrow an expedition of Martians came to us here and one said ‘I want to be baptised!’, what would happen?”

Clarifying that he really was talking about aliens, the Pope said: “Martians, right? Green, with long noses and big ears, like in children’s drawings.”


What do you think ATS? --
Is this kind of talk from the Pope conditioning people around the world to accept extraterrestrials?

Or could it simply be a tactic to gain followers who are more open-minded?


This is old, old news
it was back in 2008 i believe that the vatican announced this
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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

I think you underestimate Greer grossly. A man who met several UN general secretaries is not just a spammer. Since you have watched his film, I recommend it to those who did not.

Besides Atacama humanoid there is a similar and more recent case in Russia. (since we don't know how old Atacama humanoid is). The being called Aleshenka reportedly lived for weeks with an old lady and he was deliberately killed. There is a video of the corpse. (below)

Besides, there is a vid of Grey alien that is titled either CIA or KGB alien. Both versions co-exist with the same footage, obviously one of the titles is wrong
Pls check google.

About the underground bunkers, come on it is a pubic secret for US underground bases! Even Russian sources report of underground city in Norilsk 200 km long, report of RT. Let alone the story of Yamantau mts. The US stories are much more informative. It is not a secret the US war time command is located under the mountains in Colorado. Haven't you seen those movies that show it?

I don't have to prove anything of the above to anybody. This is not my job anyway. If you don't accept what the specialists talk freely online, and those are credible people from science and military, then who am I to prove anything to you? It doesn't make any sense to me. It is your right to deny all or part of the long list you presented. Don't take it personally, please. I am here not in the quality of insider who proves matters. I also want proofs. I am here to present my point of view on WHAT IS ALREADY POSTED ONLINE. You are free to believe Grey and Pleiadians are hoaxes. Other people say otherwise, and I believe them for the greater part. I don't believe however the widespread demonization of Grey as the only culprit of known and unknown experiments. I doubt and question the insiders on that point. May be Burisch is closer to the truth with having both good and bad about the J-Rods (Grey) and the superior Orions. Sure he is not 100% right, and nobody is. He is wrong they are "us from the future". Bob Lazar says it better, they are ET from Zeta Reticuli. I'd rather believe the man Bob Lazar who speaks quite erudite. I'd rather believe the old man Bob Dean who has tons of security behind his uneasy way. Can I say the same for myself? No. I can see the pictures he presented of miles wide ships and that is enough for me.

Here is the Russian small humanoid Aleshenka www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts
Atacama humanoid



Greer claimed for the longest time he had an alien body in his possession and DNA analysis to prove it.

It all coincided with the release of his movie, sold online for 5 dollars.

He never wanted to publish the results.

The only thing said in the movie is that the DNA is "similar to human DNA". One could say it's human DNA.


It's quite strange that he always denied it was a human foetus but all proofs point to it.

It's also stranger that someone who wants the truth to come out for all sells copies of his movie for 5$.



If you are the kind of person who buys into people like Greer, your choice. But the real and serious UFO crowd have already decided what kind of guy Greer was, and he is not into truth as much as he his into fame and money and sensationalism.

Sorry you fell for this.



The CIA/KGB alien video has been easily debunked, like all others actually.

I asked for serious and material proofs. I'm still waiting. But I know there is none because I probably studied this longer than you even did. You tell me it's not your job to show me proof, that I should search myself. I did and find none. You asked why I don't believe in disclosure and I told you why. Disclosure would require proof that it's real and there are none.



You chose to believe solely based on dubious testimonies and it's your choice. I chose the road of critical analysis because I refuse to fall for deceptions.

What you have is faith into alien visitation, but certainly not certitude. None has.


And don't even start on Lazar, the guy is a pathological liar and faked his diplomas.


I like reading from these people like I would read a good sci-fi book. But I don't make the mistake of accepting everything they say without question.


originally posted by: 2012newstart
No. I can see the pictures he presented of miles wide ships and that is enough for me.



Did you already forgot I said UFO are very real? Your memory is selective.

I'm talking about flesh and bones aliens visiting the earth and being in contact with the US government. That's the subject of the disclosure, right?

If Greer point is to disclose that there are UFOs, he's already 70 years too late for that

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: iamhobo

From what I've read thus far, our scriptures don't deny that aliens exist. In anything, it describes UFOs, and at the very least it may imply the existence of aliens.

But what this pope is saying is neat. He is saying that anyone can accept Christ, even aliens.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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Robert Dean presents pictures of miles long spaceship next to Apollo, picture of city on Mars as big as Chicago, and more


Bob Dean speaks of Vatican direct participation in Eisenhower-ET meeting in California with LA cardinal McIntyre who then flew to Rome to inform personally pope Pius XII (in the beginning of vid)
Bob Dean and Clifford Stone, both honored military with credentials, speak of their separate experience with Looking Glass and their visions back in time of the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. (at the end of vid). They joked that Kerry Cassidy was not prepared to see it...



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: 2012newstart

Again I don't deny the reality of UFOs.

At the risk of repeating myself:




Did you already forgot I said UFO are very real? Your memory is selective.

I'm talking about flesh and bones aliens visiting the earth and being in contact with the US government. That's the subject of the disclosure, right?

If Greer point is to disclose that there are UFOs, he's already 70 years too late for that



The most serious searchers on the topic found that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis doesn't hold up. I believe them rather than infamous project Camelot anytime (Lol, you seriously quoted project Camelot? Come on
)

Also lol if you think the fact that a guy is a military doesn't mean he could be into conspiracies or that he couldn't be the victim of delusion. Again, delusion affects at least 1% of people on earth. We are talking about 70 millions people.

That's quite a lot of possible testimonies if you think testimonies are proofs

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 11:39 AM
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It's really nice discussing these topics but I really wish someone would share a new bone for me to chew and not the same stuff I've been reading for 20 years now. I feel exactly like Vallée that the amount of disinfo around UFOs is just staggering, and way too many people are far to quick to jump to the alien conclusion despite there being absolutely not on single hard proof pointing in that direction.

It's like the UFO crowd is being willingly misdirected into that alien conclusion

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 12:16 PM
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The fact UFO exist shows tech thousands of years ahead of the mainstream one. We are talking of engines and craft that fly against the laws of aerodynamics (that make it possible the plane to fly and not to fall while being heavier than the air). We are talking of tech far beyond the wildest imagination of post-Einstein physics. Hawking narrowly admitted the traversible wormhole in his Discovery series, only to deny the black hole existence in his most recent outburst. That is an absurd of course since the Black hole is in the equations for decades. And that is one of the best mainstream physicists on the planet. Here we are talking of tech that is gravitationally independent from Earth. One of the insiders, forgot who, said it was easier to build up time machine than such a spacecraft. It is impossible to be done by the same engineers without any input from much higher technologically race. Listen to Paul Hellyer.

I hope some of the readers will change view to positive of what is being done about disclosure, especially with the latest move of the pope, but not only. It is being done for the last 20 years or so by people who deserve our respect and admiration, people credible who have been in contact with much of what we don't know in public. Now they make it public at a mind-blowing pace. That might be difficult for someone who just steps in the current of disclosure. We run against time. Even after the gift of post-Fatima 2000 and post-2012 time. (gift or curse, don't know).

And it is not against the belief in God and Jesus. Many of those people say they believe in God, and some are practicing catholics.

I wonder how many devote catholics will believe the pope's words now. How many of them will believe Virgin Mary's words when/if She says something similar. How many at the end will find themselves on the side of the physically saved population.
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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts
a reply to: 2012newstart

Again I don't deny the reality of UFOs.



I am not here to oppose you or anyone at his/her every single step. Everyone has the right of his view and you are entitled to yours.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
The fact UFO exist shows tech thousands of years ahead of the mainstream one.


That is opinion, I know you will bluff and bluster and call on all sorts of non substantiated blogs to back you up, but show us a fact. Sheesh, I don't know why the Pope bothered, you have made your own religion based on a belief you clearly treat as fact.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
One of the insiders, forgot who, said it was easier to build up time machine than such a spacecraft.


Such a quote seems to indicate that UFOs are more likely to be time-travellers than aliens.

At least that's what I get out of it.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: uncommitted

you bet! I bluff and bluster, didn't show you any evidence in any video including those showing real pictures, and on top of that I make "my own religion" in which probably I am my own pope? You name it.
Am I the pilot of the UFO to park it infront of your house?
The pope bothers to care IN PUBLIC this time. Isn't that enough for you guys to finally stand up from the pews and think what God really wants from you in this moment? Fanaticism may be? It was 16th century.
Of course UFO is a tech thousands years from your cars and planes. What proof do you want? Go ask those who have seen it and worked with it. You guys, you two the latest ones who provoke me, you deny every source presented and every name presented. Good job! Perhaps that's why you are here in first place.
As of the new religion, ask the Vatican do they need a new reread of the Gospels based on the ET=angels formula. Perhaps they do, within the frames of the good old religion. God bless everyone! I will not spend more time with provocateurs from all kind of spectrum.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:03 PM
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I hate to say it but I hate when impolite words are used, be it personally or otherwise. Someone was called paranoiac, not me indeed, and that someone I don't agree on much but have to stand for the morale.
Is this the way you want to ruin this thread? By orders of someone?
I'd like to ask anyone do they know a place where to sign up to post prepaid personal views. No matter which side.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:05 PM
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originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts

originally posted by: 2012newstart
One of the insiders, forgot who, said it was easier to build up time machine than such a spacecraft.


Such a quote seems to indicate that UFOs are more likely to be time-travellers than aliens.

At least that's what I get out of it.


No it doesn't. You have to watch 2h interview and it doesn't. AT this time, I am not prepared to lead usual discussion, sorry. You said you watched all of them, so may be you know who said that. It was in early Camelot that you already banned. Good job! With several posts you double crossed 2 decades disclosure efforts. I wonder who has interest of such kind of work.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts
I really wish someone would share a new bone for me to chew and not the same stuff I've been reading for 20 years now.


Youve been reading the same stuff for 20 years?
Why not just move on from the subject?



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:18 PM
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Well, Aliens are real.

And for me i believe the holy spirit is exactly what it said about it and them in the bible.

It is a living consious soul, Therefore there must be a species who has reached that stage. Not a living plasma, or living bio-mass. But as a Living soul, Where you are alive after dying.... if that makes sense.

So it would be almost inconceivable for someone who hasn't seen them before to understand what they are seeing.
Because the abilities that are being demonstrated are physically impossible, and are border line poltergeistish.

Guardians of the underworld and judges of Sin. Like Anubis with the scales in the halls of Truth weighing the hearts with the feather of Ma'at. Deeming if the hearts are worthy or not, he feeds the unworthy to Ammit- the lake of fire.

This is why the pope makes the reference about aliens and baptism. Because even the Egyptian mythos is Christian.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: Tucket

originally posted by: SpaceGoatFarts
I really wish someone would share a new bone for me to chew and not the same stuff I've been reading for 20 years now.


Youve been reading the same stuff for 20 years?
Why not just move on from the subject?


Lol, of course not. I'm just saying that since 20 years (actually since more than 50) there hasn't been anything new regarding the extraterrestrial hypothesis. It's still nothing more than a thought experiment.

You would expect more proofs since the time, aliens pictures or videos, like we have more UFO videos every year. But nope.

It's like they are not shy to show their craft but not their face.

To me and most critical searchers alien encounters have always been psychological in nature, and not physical.



posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: 2012newstart
With several posts you double crossed 2 decades disclosure efforts.


Again. Disclosure of what?

The majority of people on earth already accept the possibility of alien life in the universe and the reality of UFO.

I sincerely don't see what more there is to disclose?

Unless you really believe that the US government is in contact with aliens (they are not)



Also I really wish the disclosure project wasn't an initiative from Mr Greer. The guys who sells his movie about aliens and lied about having an alien body in his possession. That means no matter how hard he tries, this project will always be tainted by Mr Greer reputation now.

He should probably step out of it but I doubt his ego can manage being left out of this project that is always tied to his name.


Even the main page of www.disclosureproject.org... is just one massive ad for his 5$ movie. How can you tak such a guy seriously and don't see it all reeks of money grabbing? If it was really about disclosing the truth the movie would be free for all to see. I can't believe peole still fall for these kind of things.
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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: uninfluenced
This is old, old news


You do realize Pope Francis wasn't the Pope in 2008, correct?

It was, however, briefly talked about by the previous Pope in 2010.
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