originally posted by: Dark Ghost
It seems either everything has a purpose or nothing has a purpose.
Although your nick is "DarkGhost" and you have the all-seeing-eye as your avatar, I will still reply to you - perhaps you are just a victim of the
ongoing, almost omnipresent brainwashing and indoctrination.
Are you saying that purposelessness has a purpose to it?
I have been suffering this sort of existential crisis for a long time now. It's like, anything and everything on Terran life seems so trivial,
pointless, fleeting and not worth experiencing or doing.
Even if you can have the most amazing experience of your whole life, with lots of people or in solitude, tomorrow, it will be over. Or after a week,
month, year .. at SOME point, it will all be over.
So what was the point of even having it?
Someone critisized playing World of Warcraft with the argument that the game is not real, and when you stop playing, "what is left"?
Well, the same can be asked about a lot of things. When you eat chocolate cake, you have fun for awhile, but afterwards, what is left? What is left of
the great experience you had a week ago?
When you compare playing World of Warcraft to life, you can draw a lot of parallels. You are playing an unending game that doesn't really have any
deeper meaning or purpose (or at least, so it seems). You gather stuff, you 'level up' so you can be better at the quests, the rewards of which is to
get more stuff and level up, so that you can be better at the next quest, so you can get more stuff and level up so ..
It's like a neverending circle. Sure, you get to explore a bit. You kill a lot of monsters. There's a structure and 'meaning' to it, but in the end,
it's just a game, nothing is gained, nothing is lost, and in the end, it has been trivial and meaningless, except for the brief sense of
joy/achievement/fun you experienced.
But isn't the real life the same? You have to take care of your (always too small amount of) money, so you can buy the things that are necessary for
the maintenance and continuing existence of your character. You have to maintain your body, so you can keep going, so you can maintain your body. You
collect a bunch of useless stuff, and meet a lot of jerks on the way, who either help you or don't - some may even ban you from certain circles.
It's exactly the same. And after you leave the planet for good (we all do - people call it 'death' usually), what is left?
What is gained? So, you levelled up by doing a tough Earth-incarnation - isn't this exactly like leveling up in World of Warcraft, by doing a tough
quest? So next time you incarnate, you are a level 25, when before this incarnation, you were just a level 23. What's the point?
Sure, I know all about Karma and all that stuff, but I have my own questions about even that, and that doesn't really help with the overall
purposelessness of everything. And especially it doesn't help with the "Earth-purpose", or lack thereof.
What can be an 'Earth-purpose'? Can it be something you can do? Can it be something that has a beginning and an end, and then leaves you empty after
it's over? Can it be a human, animal, a social group, a legacy of some kind, that continues, after you are gone?
I don't think anything Earthly can ever give you a purpose. You can travel, you can get married, reproduce - and yet still have the emptiness in your
soul, and ask yourself: "NOW what?". I mean, you come back from your travels, you either divorce or whither, especially with time (either because of
what 'age' does to you, as a woman, or what a nagging wife does to you, as a man). And always you are at a point where you can ask "NOW what?"
You can keep busy for awhile with "work" (usually damaging, unhealthy, dangerous (work is the biggest killer) contributing to the world's problems, at
least because of commuting, if nothing else - making some corporation or government richer and more powerful so they can enslave their 'citizens' more
efficiently), or by raising your kids wrong, while even keeping a dog and raising it also completely wrong, while making it poop all over the places
where people would like to walk.
But after the dog dies, the kids grow up and move out, then you come back to the question: "NOW what?"
It's just another quest completed, another level upped, another useless bunch of stuff collected so you can get better armor and better weapons for
your next, meaningless quest.
I have asked the question about the 'meaning' for a long time, and the best people can come up with are some kind of commands as to what you should do
to or how you should treat other people, or just a short list of how to maintain the physical (the most animal part of our 'whole', that's not really
part of us, we are just visiting and using it) body and reproduce.
That's their meaning. They honestly think reproduction, so that someone else can also maintain their body and reproduce, so yet another can maintain
their body and reproduce, is some kind of "meaning". To me, it's a meaningless loop.
It's like you have to work so you can keep alive so you can work so you can keep alive so .. it's a meaningless loop that I have no tolerance for.
The meaning, obviously, cannot be about the physical body. We are eternal beings, the physical body isn't. It has a limited usability, after which, it
has to cease to exist as a physical body - it can turn to other things, but you can't use it anymore.
But we have to go on.. continuously, ceaslessly.. until..?? I don't know.
I have tried it "all" (of course no one can really try it 'all'), and none of it is meaninful. Women get old and naggy, wrinkled, and monstrous, no
matter how sweet and innocent they may seem when young (that's just a LURE - why do you think monestaries don't allow women in, and why they were even
invented? Sure, nuns exist, too, but that's not the same).
Cars, money, big houses - it brings no more happiness or meaning than the same thing in World of Warcraft, and it's just as unreal (if not more).
Money has no REAL value, it's just that people think it does, and that illusion gives it usability. But even if it did, you can't take your money with
you when you leave the planet any more than you can bring your money with you when you leave World of Warcraft. Then you have to ask again: "NOW
Sure, Astral World will be very heavenly, and a good place to 'heal' and do all kinds of fun and exciting stuff, but in the end, we will probably all
stop and ask: "NOW what?"
It's like.. what should I be doing? Should I feel guilty that I am not feeding the poor? Or, would I just be destroying their lives by feeding them,
since they chose these difficult, starving lives, because they did horrible deeds in their previous incarnations, and are now cleansing their
mistakes, paying for their deeds, so they don't have to carry that guilt in their consciences for the rest of the ternity? Wouldn't I just interrupt
this cleansing process and make their lives completely meaningless?
What is meaningful? If I give money to someone, how do I know they won't use it for something evil? What if they buy booze, cigarettes, drugs or a gun
with the money, and use those things to brings more evil into the world?
And even if they won't, so what? What could they be sending their money on that would be so meaningful? If they fill their stomach, it will soon be
empty again. So what was the point? If they go to the movies, they will just feed a rich corporation and encourage them to make more crappy movies.
Well, you get the point, I think. You can't basically find an escape from this question, no matter where you go and what you do. Is sitting in an
office cubicle, writing some TPS reports and trying to seduce innocent people to buy your crappy product that no one needs REALLY better than just
sitting at home, staring at the wall, playing a video game, watching television or listening to music?
You can walk in the nature, you can write letters, you can compose music, you can paint nature sceneries all you want, but in the end, you have to
come back home, sit down, and ask yourself: "NOW what?"
I don't have an answer, though.. but I think the ONLY meaningful thing we can really 'do' here is ..
Without suffering, our lives would be pretty much completely meaningless. Think about the conversations people have every single day. What are the
topics? How does that improve humanity? Think about the thousands of trivialities they do, read, write and act out? How much time do women spend in
front of mirrors or reflective surfaces? How much time do men spend thinking about sex?
But even "productive" work - what do people produce? Ugly, buildings, constructed where lovely nature used to be, more gas so the planet can be
polluted more - more airplanes, so the air can be thoroughly polluted from the upper layers to the lowest (not to mention chemtrails), and so people
can commute more efficiently to these planet-destroying psychopatch corporations. Endless papers and emails and forms to enslave more people more
efficiently, without ever bringing anything useful to the existence.
And even if you have something 'useful', what do people use it for? Everything is pretty much used for the same machinery that "Koyaanisqatsi" showed
us in its MILD form over 30 years ago. Or individual, selfish pleasure.
Even if we could find euphoria, I would still ask "NOW what?" What should I do with the euphoria?
Even creative people (though I think we all have the urge and gift of creativity, it's just buried very deep in most, and perhaps just sleeping as a
latent power in others), who produce beautiful artwork, paintings, pixel art, music, musicals, books (I won't mention "movies" here, because I have
lost respect towards that 'art'form - even the best 'movies' are not something one could ever honestly praise as honestly as a good pixel image or a
great painting or piece of music)..
.. even though they produce a lot, and are 'productive' .. the end result is .. "NOW what?"
When they stop creating, when their artwork is finished, what do they do? What's the point of the artwork? You can look/listen to it or experience it,
but sooner or later, you will get bored. No one can stare at the same painting forever without getting bored, no matter what a great masterpiece it
Everything has this 'fleeting' quality to it, nothing seems to remain the same. And you can't get much joy out of the same thing for a long time. And
yet this thing just continues and continues.. your body demands food, rest, urination, defacation, cleaning, shelter.. your soul yearns for something
you can't buy from the store. And every day, you have to make a decision of what to do.
(Unless you are a corporate drone, that is - then you are like a WoW player, just mindlessly taking every quest and completing them and returning to
take more punishm.. quests)
Real life and World of Warcraft, I ask you all - is it not one and the same?
edit on 15-5-2014 by Shoujikina because: (no reason given)