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originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: James1982
So basically you are saying that ALL business owners are bad and think the way you described and because of that all lazy employees are justified.
People like that should starve and by the hunger in their bellies they should then be motivated to find bread to bring to their mouth.
You dont act like a jerk and help as much as you can, making the whole experience that much more pleasant and productive for yourself and others .
Lazy bad employees can close down a business sending all their coworkers to dire ends.
Thats what you want? Average people losing their life´s work after incredible sacrifices and for their employees to lose the stability and prosperity that work brings after the business suffers and they are let off? ....just so lazy people can chill?
I want to insult you for making this thread..lol. I will just say that and leave it there.
EDIT TO ADD:
I have worked in some great places where everyone was motivated and worked like it was their business. In one place, We never saw so much money...WHY? Because after we tripled sales, our salaries were tripled. We worked like a boss and were treated like one. It wasnt glamorous, but we ended up running the place and did what we wanted...which was MAKE MONEY as easily as possible.
The "do little or do nothings" never understood that. They didnt last and last I checked on some of them, they still dont get it, hence why they never moved on to better things. Still someone else´s CRAP employee.
If you cant find pride in your honest work for its well done completion then you will never be satisfied with anything less than a winning lottery ticket. That really is pathetic.
The disillusioned rock star generation....no talent, no ambition, nothing....but the want of riches for little to no work.
I am not sorry for them. They usually ruin good things for everyone else.
originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: James1982
I've been enjoying this thread. It has an interesting proposition and I find it interesting that so many are not, in fact, responding to that proposition at all but reading into in all manner of things that simply are not there.
I too, was raised, to do the best I could in whatever I did; however I was also raised with the concept that respect and loyality go both ways, up and down, and that it starts with employers treating their employees with respect and loyality.
That said, the OP makes an excellent case for the "just lazy enough to keep the job employee". If the ideal is that Employers only treat there employees with the least regard as possible (to supposedly increase profits) then it only follows that an employee should only do the least required to retain their position.
Leaders lead best by example - and the OP is only stating what many employers are teaching their employees by their own actions.
Never require somebody to do something that you won't do yourself - another thing I was taught.
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: James1982
I appreciate the replies guys but you really aren't addressing the topic.
Why is it OK for an employer to do the bare minimum, but not the employee?
^^That's this thread distilled down for anyone confused. I'd appreciate it if we could stay on topic.
What you are forgetting about is the blood and sweat that the owner put into building his business, the sleepless nights and the sacrifices of time, money and effort.
In my line of work I'm exposed to business owners all the time, mostly construction and landscaping companies, as well as their employees. The one thing that most of them have in common is: they work a lot of hours. Heck, I know one owner that hasn't taken a day off from work for over 10 years. Even when his guys are off, he's working...writing estimates, repairing vehicles, organizing and prepping for the next job. If he took a day off and was lazy, maybe the world would stop turning.
Now to address lazy employees: If the culture for the employees is to be lazy, I'm not going to work there. I don't want to just "get by" I want a job where I'm challenged and have to constantly rise to meet the challenges.
So sorry, I don't see where it's acceptable that employees are lazy. Especially if they're working for sustenance.