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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: ken10
This has been gone over on the forum again and again, the ones denying the Holocaust are the revisionist.
The Germans kept impeccable records.
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
originally posted by: ken10
originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: ken10
You really think there was an elaborate hoax?
No, not a hoax.....many millions of innocents died by way of atrocities, and some were jews.
But the way it is portrayed today has many flaws in it.....hence all the questioners.
"Some" were Jews? "Some"??? We have the intercepts from the Eastern Front that detail all the mass shootings committed by the Einsatzgruppen. Mass shootings of people whose only 'crime' was being Jewish. We have the plans for the death chambers, the movement orders, the eyewitnesses. All your 'questioners' tend to be anti-Semitic charlatans like David Irving or that useless little twit who tried to claim that there was no cyanide used at Auschwitz.
originally posted by: Dorrell
That is very true. Like I said earlier it wasn't just Jews that died. It was Romanians, Russians, Germans and Gypsies etc that also died in these camps. But they didn't all get executed. And the 6 million figure was completely false.
How about the Germans? The ones that had nothing to do with the death camps. How come 1.7 million German civilians and surrendered troops died in the Eisenhower Death camps on the river Rhine? How come they never talk about that. Or the bombing massacre of Dresden where over 125,000 refugees were incinerated by 3,300 US and UK bombs?
They never talk about these things much. But when they do and questions are raised they never get jailed or called Anti-Semitic! You'd think the Jews were trying to hide something!
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Dorrell
That is very true. Like I said earlier it wasn't just Jews that died. It was Romanians, Russians, Germans and Gypsies etc that also died in these camps. But they didn't all get executed. And the 6 million figure was completely false.
How about the Germans? The ones that had nothing to do with the death camps. How come 1.7 million German civilians and surrendered troops died in the Eisenhower Death camps on the river Rhine? How come they never talk about that. Or the bombing massacre of Dresden where over 125,000 refugees were incinerated by 3,300 US and UK bombs?
They never talk about these things much. But when they do and questions are raised they never get jailed or called Anti-Semitic! You'd think the Jews were trying to hide something!
Certainly the bombing of Dresden is a much debated and discussed event that is intensely discussed. 1.7 million POWs and civilians died in American Death camps? Really? That's a wild accusation.
The Soviets were notoriously brutal and their genocidal acts were also well documented including systemic rape and murder and torture.
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Dorrell
That is very true. Like I said earlier it wasn't just Jews that died. It was Romanians, Russians, Germans and Gypsies etc that also died in these camps. But they didn't all get executed. And the 6 million figure was completely false.
How about the Germans? The ones that had nothing to do with the death camps. How come 1.7 million German civilians and surrendered troops died in the Eisenhower Death camps on the river Rhine? How come they never talk about that. Or the bombing massacre of Dresden where over 125,000 refugees were incinerated by 3,300 US and UK bombs?
They never talk about these things much. But when they do and questions are raised they never get jailed or called Anti-Semitic! You'd think the Jews were trying to hide something!
Certainly the bombing of Dresden is a much debated and discussed event that is intensely discussed. 1.7 million POWs and civilians died in American Death camps? Really? That's a wild accusation.
The Soviets were notoriously brutal and their genocidal acts were also well documented including systemic rape and murder and torture.
I edited my post with links!
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Dorrell
That is very true. Like I said earlier it wasn't just Jews that died. It was Romanians, Russians, Germans and Gypsies etc that also died in these camps. But they didn't all get executed. And the 6 million figure was completely false.
How about the Germans? The ones that had nothing to do with the death camps. How come 1.7 million German civilians and surrendered troops died in the Eisenhower Death camps on the river Rhine? How come they never talk about that. Or the bombing massacre of Dresden where over 125,000 refugees were incinerated by 3,300 US and UK bombs?
They never talk about these things much. But when they do and questions are raised they never get jailed or called Anti-Semitic! You'd think the Jews were trying to hide something!
Certainly the bombing of Dresden is a much debated and discussed event that is intensely discussed. 1.7 million POWs and civilians died in American Death camps? Really? That's a wild accusation.
The Soviets were notoriously brutal and their genocidal acts were also well documented including systemic rape and murder and torture.
I edited my post with links!
There's no case to make for Holocaust deniers, other than the fact that they tend to be a filthy little bunch of anti-Semitic liars who pounce on what they see as 'inconsistencies' that don't actually exist.
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: NavyDoc
originally posted by: Dorrell
That is very true. Like I said earlier it wasn't just Jews that died. It was Romanians, Russians, Germans and Gypsies etc that also died in these camps. But they didn't all get executed. And the 6 million figure was completely false.
How about the Germans? The ones that had nothing to do with the death camps. How come 1.7 million German civilians and surrendered troops died in the Eisenhower Death camps on the river Rhine? How come they never talk about that. Or the bombing massacre of Dresden where over 125,000 refugees were incinerated by 3,300 US and UK bombs?
They never talk about these things much. But when they do and questions are raised they never get jailed or called Anti-Semitic! You'd think the Jews were trying to hide something!
Certainly the bombing of Dresden is a much debated and discussed event that is intensely discussed. 1.7 million POWs and civilians died in American Death camps? Really? That's a wild accusation.
The Soviets were notoriously brutal and their genocidal acts were also well documented including systemic rape and murder and torture.
I edited my post with links!
Your links for from Rense.com. That's not a site that deals with many facts. Half a million people did not die at Dresden. It was more like 20,000 people - which is bad enough as it is.
originally posted by: ken10
a reply to: AngryCymraeg
There's no case to make for Holocaust deniers, other than the fact that they tend to be a filthy little bunch of anti-Semitic liars who pounce on what they see as 'inconsistencies' that don't actually exist.
Ok, so lets see....
Soap made from humans = Uh erm.......A Hoax.
Lampshades made from human skin = Uh erm........A Hoax.
Gas chambers at Dachau = Uh erm........A Hoax.
4.5 million died at Auschwitz = Uh erm......False.
1.6 million died at Majdanek = Uh erm....A Hoax.
Gas chambers made to look like showers at Majdanek = Uh erm.......A Hoax.
Also, The Archaeological scans and excavations at Treblinka are very recent, yet as seen in the video in my earlier post... not all is as proclaimed.
And you wonder why why some still question this event !....and in respect to your sig....No I would say it is only the gullible that blindly accept a history written by the winners.
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Dorrell
No. Half a million people did not die at Dresden. The higher estimates of the death toll at Dresden are based on Tagesbefehl No. 47, a forged version of the casualty report that came out of the Goebbels propaganda ministry. Even David Irving has admitted that TB47 is worthless.
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Dorrell
No. Half a million people did not die at Dresden. The higher estimates of the death toll at Dresden are based on Tagesbefehl No. 47, a forged version of the casualty report that came out of the Goebbels propaganda ministry. Even David Irving has admitted that TB47 is worthless.
Ok I have done some more looking and yes you are right. David Irving said in his 1963 book The Destruction of Dresden that it was 135,000. But it doesn't change the fact that it was a Holocaust!
It's the same as the Jewish Holocaust. Those numbers of dead Jews were false too!
So I stand corrected on that one but not on the Eisenhower Holocaust.
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
originally posted by: Dorrell
originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: Dorrell
No. Half a million people did not die at Dresden. The higher estimates of the death toll at Dresden are based on Tagesbefehl No. 47, a forged version of the casualty report that came out of the Goebbels propaganda ministry. Even David Irving has admitted that TB47 is worthless.
Ok I have done some more looking and yes you are right. David Irving said in his 1963 book The Destruction of Dresden that it was 135,000. But it doesn't change the fact that it was a Holocaust!
It's the same as the Jewish Holocaust. Those numbers of dead Jews were false too!
So I stand corrected on that one but not on the Eisenhower Holocaust.
There is a great deal of evidence to prove that the Holocaust happened. There is no evidence that the so-called Eisenhower holocaust happened.
So your an Eisenhower Holocaust Denier? Shame on you!
Well there's no evidence to say that 6 Million Jews died in that Holocaust. That figure is just pure Propaganda!
originally posted by: dantanna
we do not have freedom of speech on ats anymore?
i do not deny anything, i do not deny there was no hol0caust, i do not deny there was.
but i DO question everything, and its a damn shame if we are not allowed to question the many myths of w2. MANY.