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posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 09:30 AM
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It sounds biased to the American. That is only because the US mainstream media has been so corrupted and does everthing in its power to obfuscate the truth of what is truly going on. Read it all. Compare. It becomes clear very quickly.

I found (during the actual invasion of Iraq), that a Russian source was the most highly accurate for all related data. As a member of our cold war/post cold war military, I thot it very strange to look to Russia for info. It wasn't new; just to me.




posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 09:33 AM
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Another 'They hate America'-thread? Not satisfied with the previous threads on the same subject?


Originally posted by LostSailor
I do... look at middle eastern media... frances media... German media... its all the same.

Some examples please.


I started this thread in the hopes it might actually make people look a little deeper into what they hear, read, see from the media in a more objecctive way.

And you forgot to realize that this would be something for you to consider?


I know I do... I voted for Bush fer Christ's sake... If I listened to the media here in the states you'd think I voted for Satan.

Yeah, but the 'liberal' media in the US as well as the media in the rest of the world must be all brainwashed, right? Better stick with Fox. They tell it like it really is.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:11 AM
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LOL!! Fox News is owned by George Bushes Cousin or some other family memember!! YOU THINK THEY WONT BE BIASED!! LOL!!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by The_Squid
LOL!! Fox News is owned by George Bushes Cousin or some other family memember!! YOU THINK THEY WONT BE BIASED!! LOL!!


LOL!
Rupert Murdoch isn't related to George Bush!!


Where the heck did you get that from? I didn't know our Pres had relatives in Australia.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:39 AM
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They must've been thinking about the Fox reporter who is Bush's cousin (he called the race for Bush back in 2000).



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by LostSailor

Originally posted by Psychoses

Originally posted by LostSailor
I do... look at middle eastern media... frances media... German media... its all the same.


Well if all foriegn media is saying the same thing then it is obviously time to start questioning the validity of U'S mainsream media.


"Why don't you just be another brainless wonder spewing out a bunch of liberal vomit?" - Thomas Crowne

Sorry I had to borrow that quote as i think it fits nicely here... I'm out



I just LOVE this post. If EVERY other news source doesn't say what you want it to, it's biased. What head in the sand mentallity. Creating your own reallity won't make it the truth.

[edit on 30-11-2004 by intrepid]



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by EastCoastKid
They must've been thinking about the Fox reporter who is Bush's cousin (he called the race for Bush back in 2000).


ECK is right. Must have been thinking about...



MURDOCH THE BUSH FAMILY EMPLOYER: As Slate reports, Murdoch "put George W. Bush cousin John Ellis in charge of [Fox's] Election Night vote-counting operation: Ellis made Fox the first network to declare Bush the victor" even as the New Yorker reported that Ellis spent the evening discussing the election with George W. and Jeb Bush. After the election, Fox bragged that it attracted 6.8 million viewers on Election Night, meaning Ellis was in a key position to tilt the election for President Bush. [Source: Slate, 11/22/00; New Yorker, 11/20/00]


Who is Rupert Murdoch?



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 11:54 AM
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ANY way...you americans should just boycott FOX and watch canadian news, we are much more objectif, like neutral
Today is the day Bush is coming to canada, first time since president, did your news told you that????
It's all over our news....and you should watch it

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 12:06 PM
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There is great irony when certain Americans complain about "America" being hated by the rest of the world, when they never stop to consider the hatred they vent toward other countries, like France, Canada, and anything muslem, much less the negative connotation and like charge they levy at their opposing countrymen in so doing.

This they hate America rhetoric was a purposeful slur coined by Bush's handlers to silence the international opposition. It goes hand in hand with their other slur of being unpatriotic to silence the domestic opposition. The concept is blatantly stupid, and itself contemptible and hateful, since it suggests that America will always be hated regardless of who is president, for none of them will ever garner 100% support either domestically or internationally.

Only the gullible fall for it and get wrapped up in a non-issue.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Amelia
ANY way...you americans should just boycott FOX and watch canadian news, we are much more objectif, like neutral
Today is the day Bush is coming to canada, first time since president, did your news told you that????


Yes, actually it has been all over the news in the USA.
And don't think that Canadian news is completely without bias.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander

Yes, actually it has been all over the news in the USA.
And don't think that Canadian news is completely without bias.


What does mean without bias??? Does it mean totally neutral? Maybe not...I watch American news sometimes, I feel like they make propaganda..IMO
What did they say about Canada????? Good or bad? I just curious


Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:00 PM
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Look... all news is biased in some form or another... I know this... you know this... everyone knows this... I hope.


But that wasn't the point I was trying to make with this thread... Bah... I have to much stuff to do ATM in the real world.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Banshee

Originally posted by The_Squid
LOL!! Fox News is owned by George Bushes Cousin or some other family memember!! YOU THINK THEY WONT BE BIASED!! LOL!!


LOL!
Rupert Murdoch isn't related to George Bush!!


Where the heck did you get that from? I didn't know our Pres had relatives in Australia.


I study Media, and my media studies teacher told me that he was his cousin or some damn thing.

OH WAIT! OH GOD NO! I USED THE QUOTE BUTTON! OH NO THE SUPER MODERATOR WILL GET ME DONE FOR OVER QUOTING!!! OH GOD NO WHAT HAVE I DONE!!!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by LostSailor
Look... all news is biased in some form or another... I know this... you know this... everyone knows this... I hope.


But that wasn't the point I was trying to make with this thread... Bah... I have to much stuff to do ATM in the real world.


Point, set, match.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 10:06 PM
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Man.. I can't let it end like this...

No the point I was trying to make is that overseas media in France, Germany, UK, middle east etc.

Are going out of their way to smear the U.S. and Bush... Did anyone read my very first post? Am I the only person on ATS that reads the links that are posted?

I know some American media is biased... but they certainly don't call terrorists "rebels" or freedom fighters... they don't condone beheadings... they talked about Iraqis feighning dead and then attacking soldiers... etc.

I really truly think we in America have a better understanding then most about whats going on in the middle east right now.

I stand ready for more attacks



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 12:41 AM
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I dont like Bush and I dont like the UnitedStates.



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 01:09 AM
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Odd that so many seem to hate America... yet so many want to leave their own Socialist nightmare countries to live there. From what I've seen, most of the America-haters (even the ones in America) are basically whiners who are afraid that America's return to the "take responsibility for your own actions and quit expecting someone else to do your work for you" policy might mean that they won't be able to blame someone else for their inadequacies.



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 01:43 AM
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This has turned to totally ridiculous blabber. Americans by majority voted for the President. Even if it is won by 500 votes it still is the majority. People around the world and more importaintly in the United States need to respect the office of the President even if you do not necessarily respect the man holding it. That should be a given until the time someone comes along and figures out how to turn the office into a pulpit for his/her new Dictatorship. I have noticed around work lately that people are not talking so much about Bush winning or Kerry loosing. It seems that frustraition is turning outside of the boarders toward the critics of the U.S. and the President. The more foreign nations that put negative and harsh critisism at the two, the more the people in our country are becoming angry at our outside critics. Frustraition is high. I also belive that to much of the stories coming from the lines in Iraq are focused on negative aspects and not any of the positive. These kids don't need embedded war tourists to tell them war is ugly. They do need support and recognition of any positives that happen around them no matter how small they may be. It is very importaint to them. Remember, most of these troops are still just kids/very young adults. I got back from Bagdhad a bit over a year ago and still get emails from friends still there. Its almost always the same, they are tired, they are scared and by God very very Homesick. But they understand what they are doing and are darn proud of it and willing to stay untill the time everyone agrees the job is done and welcome home.

The story of the Marine who shot and killed the wounded Iraqi is angering. Not because of what the young man did but because one week earlier he was shot in the face by an Iraqi feigning severe injury. He did what probably most people would do to protect what he considered a life threatining event. These media folks are not helping yet rather hurting the guys there doing what they are asked to do. Day in and Day out. Days turn to weeks, weeks to months and on and on.



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 01:51 AM
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Posted by Lost Sailor
Are going out of their way to smear the U.S. and Bush... Did anyone read my very first post? Am I the only person on ATS that reads the links that are posted?

I know some American media is biased... but they certainly don't call terrorists "rebels" or freedom fighters... they don't condone beheadings... they talked about Iraqis feighning dead and then attacking soldiers... etc.

I really truly think we in America have a better understanding then most about whats going on in the middle east right now.

I stand ready for more attacks


O'K lost Sailor, I will try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.

The media has virtually taken control of the way we think and what we believe. Where does all the knowledge we accept as truth in regard to current affairs come from? The media.

If I had of asked you 12 months ago what an insurgent was would you have been able to tell me? Probably not. The term insurgent has been adopted by them to describe the "new" enemy we are facing in Iraq. Now if I was to ask you to prove that these "insurgents" are in fact foriegn fighters as the media suggests and not angry citizens could you do it without citing a link to a media story or Pentagon statement? More than likely not.

Now go and take a look at this interesting thread posted by esdad71.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here esdad71 is presenting information that suggests that the Pentagon is using the media to spread propagander to confuse the "arab enemy". The main problem with this is that with speed news now travels on the net, the "enemy" are not the only people that are being fed this stuff. We are all getting it. So how are we to determine what is fact and what is fiction? Simple, we can't.

Now on the other hand, I find people are too emotional and don't bother reading whats in front of them. Take my thread US in Iraq worse than Hitler. The title of the thread is merely the title of the news article I used to highlight growing concerns that some soldiers may be committing war crimes, and could that be the reason why U'S is pressuring countries to sign a document exempting U'S soldiers from prosecution in the International Criminal Court irrespective of the circumstances.

Even though I stated numerous times throughout the thread that this is what the topic of discussion was, people were still just jumping in and ranting about how Bush shouldn't be compared to Hitler. In fact, one of the very few people who tried to answer that question was Thomas Crowne. The response to one his posts on that thread is also a good example of emotion blinding people to what is actually being said.

Now how could a discussion or debate take place if everybody thinks the same thing? To Deny Ignorance we must look at things from all angles, so if someone calls an "insurgent" a "freedom fighter" or a "rebel" it doesn't necessarily mean that they support them, it could just mean that they are looking at the information from a different perspective.

Did that make things any clearer for you?



posted on Dec, 1 2004 @ 02:57 AM
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Well I'll agree that the BBC does seem biased, unlike Fox news though it's far more subtle and I'm speaking as someone who does not agree with this war but tries to see both sides of the debate.

I think the problem with peoples perception of the US at the moment is the extreme politics that seems to be creeping in, the gung ho, religious right and their belief that they are Gods chosen people carrying out His chosen plan, that sort of deal just wouldn't be tolerated in Europe other than on the very fringes. It's not that I think that all people who voted for Bush are warmongering imperialists or bible bashing end day fundies, it's just that too many of them are. I'm not even sure if Bush is the religious crusader he appears to be more that it's a pose to keep that section of his voting public happy.

Sure Americans can be arrogant, so can the Brits, the French and the Germans and they certainly don't need to take lessons on it from across the pond. The one major flaw of the average US citizen is a certain insular veiw of the world and that's not great for sensible foreign policy. An example a lady from the midwest made a comment to me about how surprised she was at the proffesionalism and efficiancy of the UK armed forces in Iraq, I pointed out that stemmed from about four hundred years of running a global empire, she was very surprised by the news.
BTW I don't hate Americans at all, on the whole they are lovely people!


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