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Group Preparing to Press Military for Atheist Chaplain

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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 11:31 AM
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:02 PM
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:07 PM
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a reply to: NavyDoc

Why don't you educate me. What is the difference in the spiritual needs of veterans and active service men and women?



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:19 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: NavyDoc

Why don't you educate me. What is the difference in the spiritual needs of veterans and active service men and women?



Again, dodging the issue--the issue was that you googled "chaplain" and thought that what a VFW wants for a "post chaplain" applied to an active duty officer--those are very different people with very different jobs and the VFW is not associated with the military or the DOD. That is where your lack of knowledge on the subject matter comes in.

Listen, I really shouldn't have been so harsh on you and I'm sorry for that. It is not your fault you don't know what goes on in the military, what is provided or not, or what is needed or not. One cannot be expected to understand what one has not experienced and to be mean to you because of that is not nice.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:34 PM
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:34 PM
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I still want to hear about spiritual atheism.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I still want to hear about spiritual atheism.


I'm sure Google would be more than happy to enlighten you on the subject. And I would hate to rob you of the benefits of doing your own research.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I had no idea athiest believed in an afterlife and were spiritual, spiritual, it what sense?


SOME atheists do. I do. I believe we (human beings) are all connected by the bonds of love. I believe we are more than the physical body. I believe that after we die, we still exist in some form, but we go on. I'm not sure of this and I wouldn't want to make any bets on it, but it is a belief I have.

The ONLY thing that atheists have in common is that they don't hold a belief in a deity.

Oops! Sorry, Afterinfinity. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

You didn't step on my toes. You left plenty of room for Storm to do her/his own research. And research never hurts.

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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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I found something that's relevant to the topic.




They note that when soldiers seek mental health counseling it is noted in their record and reported up the chain of command. But consultations with chaplains are confidential, making them a safe place to discuss the problems soldiers routinely face — loneliness, fear, anxiety and other personal issues.
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This alone is a good reason to want to see a chaplain instead of a psychologist.



There are an estimated 13,000 active duty servicemen and women that identify as atheists or agnostics — more than the number of Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus combined — all of which have their own chaplains. Add to that a significant number — more than 276,000 — who say they have “no religious preference.”


It's a good article.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
I had no idea athiest believed in an afterlife and were spiritual, spiritual, it what sense?


SOME atheists do. I do. I believe we (human beings) are all connected by the bonds of love. I believe we are more than the physical body. I believe that after we die, we still exist in some form, but we go on. I'm not sure of this and I wouldn't want to make any bets on it, but it is a belief I have.

The ONLY thing that atheists have in common is that they don't hold a belief in a deity.

Oops! Sorry, Afterinfinity. Didn't mean to step on your toes.


think we can have a topic, I would like to discuss it, but I don't want to start the topic.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

What, a thread on atheist spirituality? Try the search engine, I'm sure there's a few floating around somewhere.
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 05:07 PM
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Here's one... www.abovetopsecret.com...


can't we have a new one??



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 06:18 PM
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Here's a thing I find mildly confusing, and I mean this respectfully, earlier I was told that this was not an "athiest" thing and that "athiest" was being used as a perjorative to slant the discussion and now I see an article presented about numbers of athiests being presented as need for chaplain representation. I would hope that one could see how such seems a bit if a dichotomy.

Given that there are 13,000 athiests in the service, most very dedicated and bright professionals, that number really isn't helpful in that it does not show us how many of those would describe themselves as "humanist," nor of those how many feel the need to have a chaplain, nor of those how many would agree or even desire this particular group to represent them.

Thus, I would humbly suggest, that this particular number is not helpful in the discussion nor indicative of any particular need.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 06:51 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
Here's one... www.abovetopsecret.com...


can't we have a new one??


Go ahead and start one then.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 07:35 PM
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Personally, and I mean this respectfully, what I find unpalatable is the suggestion that "non-believers" when experiencing a crisis of morality or some other spiritually related issue, should be relegated to some kind of "psychotherapy" or "psychoanalysis" instead of being able to address these issues as remedially as "believers".

On separate note, I was ready to bet dollars to donuts that Scientology has representative chaplains, and I'm delighted to find that the military took measures the other way! At least I can't find any military Scientology Chaplains...............HEHE

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posted on May, 15 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
can't we have a new one??


Why are you asking me? LOL If you're curious about it, post it. If you go about it with CURIOSITY instead of from a defensive or antagonistic position, you will probably learn a LOT about people.



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