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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: FlyersFan
That would be the military psychologist. They already have those in place.
I wasn't aware that a psychologist was trained to counsel in moral, ethical and spiritual matters.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: AfterInfinity
If that's what they think faith is all about, then they are missing the point.
There is great debate, and in many cases a sharp divide, between practitioners of psychology and those of spirituality. On one end of the spectrum, most of mainstream psychology does not concern itself with issues of consciousness and spirit and rejects what is not scientifically quantifiable. On the other end, many contemporary spiritual traditions view the psyche as an unreal construct and believe that psychological work is an indulgent reinforcement of the story of the false self.
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Ultimately, psychology and spirituality do not need to be distinct, but it can be helpful to make distinctions between them in order to understand the primary function of each in relation to the other. We can then discover how these approaches complement and support one another, together forming a more complete approach to human understanding than either one alone can provide.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
What spirituality are athiests missing out on and what is unique about an athiests version of spirituality (although the concept is self contradictory) that keeps it from not being addressed by a traditional chaplain?
What are they missing out on that is not already covered?
originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
What spirituality are athiests missing out on and what is unique about an athiests version of spirituality (although the concept is self contradictory) that keeps it from not being addressed by a traditional chaplain?
What are they missing out on that is not already covered?
Nice cut and paste but that does not imply that psycologists cannot or will not address athiests "spirituality" appropriately.
What is this this athiest spirituality exactly anyway and what special skill or understanding would an "athiest chaplain" bring to the table? How are they certified? How are they educated?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
I wasn't aware that a psychologist was trained to counsel in moral, ethical and spiritual matters.
Ummm... There is no God.
originally posted by: FlyersFan
When I was in the Army and was a chaplain assistant .... I had protestant Chaplains and Catholic chaplains and a Jewish chaplain in our office. Catholics did not have to go to the Catholic chaplain .... Protestants did not have to go to the Protestant chaplain ... ANY chaplain can deal with any soldiers issues. If a Wiccan came to our office and needed help, any of the chaplains there could help. The Wiccan might prefer a Wiccan chaplain, but the Jewish or Christian chaplain was fully capable of helping that Wiccan. If the wiccan had questions about the wiccan faith, of course he'd have to go find a wiccan chaplain. But considering that the Atheists don't have all the 'special needs' that a person of faith has, that should make it even easier for the existing chaplains to be able to deal with whatever issues come up.
Between the existing chaplains and the psychologists ... no need for 'atheist chaplains'.
I find it a silly thought.
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Ummm... There is no God.
See?
That's where you lose me!
You come out and insult those whom don't believe as you do.......
I don't believe in God either, but I sure as hell RESPECT my fellow human beings for what they believe in!
Freedom isn't a one way street! If you want respect, show others that you respect them! Otherwise we will just continue to swim around in circles until we all get flushed!
Simple concept for those whom actually respect the Constitution.......
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Ummm... There is no God.
See?
That's where you lose me!
You come out and insult those whom don't believe as you do.......
I don't believe in God either, but I sure as hell RESPECT my fellow human beings for what they believe in!
Freedom isn't a one way street! If you want respect, show others that you respect them! Otherwise we will just continue to swim around in circles until we all get flushed!
Simple concept for those whom actually respect the Constitution.......
I might be incorrect, but what I'm seeing here is a very common mistake in any topic of considerable sensitivity: you are asking questions when you're not really ready to deal with the answers. Or maybe you were expecting a different answer. My suggestion? If you don't like it, stop asking questions.
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Ummm... There is no God.
See?
That's where you lose me!
You come out and insult those whom don't believe as you do.......
originally posted by: FlyersFan
Between the existing chaplains and the psychologists ... no need for 'atheist chaplains'.
I find it a silly thought.
originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: AfterInfinity
And what reason would that be?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
originally posted by: FlyersFan
Between the existing chaplains and the psychologists ... no need for 'atheist chaplains'.
I find it a silly thought.
That's OK. I find a lot of things people want to be silly. But I'm pretty sure those who want this don't find it silly.
Can I ask... What's the harm? How does it hurt anyone to have a HUMANIST chaplain on board? (The requesters are asking for a "humanist chaplain", not an "atheist" chaplain. That's FOX News and other sensationalism at work.)
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: AfterInfinity
And what reason would that be?
Territory, resources, family, public welfare, personal safety. Not necessarily in that order.
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
Ummm... There is no God.
See?
That's where you lose me!
You come out and insult those whom don't believe as you do.......
I don't believe in God either, but I sure as hell RESPECT my fellow human beings for what they believe in!
Freedom isn't a one way street! If you want respect, show others that you respect them! Otherwise we will just continue to swim around in circles until we all get flushed!
Simple concept for those whom actually respect the Constitution.......
I might be incorrect, but what I'm seeing here is a very common mistake in any topic of considerable sensitivity: you are asking questions when you're not really ready to deal with the answers. Or maybe you were expecting a different answer. My suggestion? If you don't like it, stop asking questions.
The only question I asked was why do you insult people whom believe differently than you!!
Care to elaborate, or would you prefer to put words into my mouth?