originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
Because it is a non sequitur and irrelevant. I do not want anyone, government included, telling me how to manage my profits, it is none of their
The reality is that government does tell you how to manage your profits, and in America, we have a "government of the People, by the People, for the
People." When society fails to properly allocate its resources, then I will tell you how to manage your profits. Because, at the end of the day, in
case if you missed it in your American education, profits come from We the People. Therefore, you cannot escape accountability to We the People. (If
you don't like it, then go live in Roman Italy...)
There is nothing to dodge, your socio-economic model is not one relevant to the conversation. Tribal societies do not run businesses. Stick to the
It does not matter how tribal societies lived. You seemed to forget that I only brought them up as an example to refute your claim that this is how
"ALL economies work." You would be wrong.
It has nothing to do with greed and everything about ensuring that your business remains open. Give me a viable business model where the
business owner does not have to pass escalating costs on to the end users and can fund them internally.
Simple. The owner is still able to maintain a decent level of quality while allowing the profits (which, correctly belong to We the People) to flow
back to We the People.
Spare me. Too funny coming with the guy who equates people's avatars with their real life personas.
The personality you have expressed in your replies to me, as well in other posts (that I have read in this thread), are in-keeping with the mentality
of Augustus. Therefore, pointing this out should not be whimsical to you, but rather, highlights the point that you have the backwards thinking
mentality of a Roman Emperor. Rome failed, buddy, and if everyone continues to follow your model, America and Europe will likewise fail.
Slave labor implies no wages, I certainly paid my employees wages.
Actually, slaves were paid in "food" and "shelter." It does NOT matter if you now pay "wages." You cannot just say, "I pay money, they are not
slaves." No, they are still slaves, and you are benefiting off of slave labor. Perhaps, feudal system might ring a better bell for you, Augustus.
It certainly is beyond your comprehension if you have to cite tribal economics as a viable comparator to the topic. And no need to dumb it down, your
initial posts were pretty dumb as is.
Au contraire, just above your level of comprehension. You got your education in the West. I wouldn't expect you to understand. (As noted, the
citation to tribal economics was a clear example to refute the bold statement you made that "All economies work on greed."
Here, you are using fallacious reasoning to, once again, dodge the very valid points I bring up. Why do you bother replying to me if you are just
going to evade?
I benefited from others labor and they benefited from my employing them and compensating them monetarily (and in some cases with product).
That's what the aristocrats, or someone like Augustus would tell you...
The topic of the thread is not the employee-employer relationship nor whether my job, or anyone else's who runs a business, is 'demanding'.
When the costs are passed on to the end user, all aspects of the business are relevant, and should be explored. This would include the
employee-employer relationship, and how demanding the job is. And you were the one who justified the higher costs by stating how demanding your job is
to. Again, you are distorting things to evade the ugly truth in the mirror.
You. Are. Greedy. You further justified this greed by de-humanizing fellow humans as "uneducated, unskilled, etc." Well, why not design a society
where they can be educated and skilled? Why not afford them the same opportunities you had? (Of course, if we did that, you would be out-of-a-job and
couldn't justify your high costs and extravagant lifestyle, so let's keep the de-humanization so you can feel "good' about yourself. Smh.)
Neither is it a forum for you to rail against whatever economic system that crawled up your rectum and expired. It is about passing the costs on to
the end user when the false dichotomy is that businesses pay taxes and other increase when in actuality it is the end user. Stick to the topic or go
troll someone else's thread.
The topic is why you feel the need to pass the costs on to the end user. As noted above, this requires a discourse on economics, the "demanding"
nature of your job, and the employee-employer relationship, as well as, the United States Constitution, which reads, "We the People."
I am, and everyone else who runs a business, entitled to make what I feel is appropriate based on my requirements, not yours.
And that's the exact line of reasoning a slave owner used in the South. I kid you not. Go read.
I do not idolize anyone, with the possible exception of my mother who came to this country with nothing and ended up making something of her self.
And should not every human have that opportunity? To benefit off of the fruits of their labor? But thanks to capitalism and greedy
businessmen[/women], like yourself, these opportunities are now denied to the People at large.
'Demanding' in so much that I was also an employee of my business and had obligations to prepare people's food. I also had to function as a
corporate officer and disburse payroll and deal with vendors. Because of this, as a shareholder, I was entitled to take as much as I deemed fit for my
70+ hour weeks because it was my business. Not yours and not anyone else's.
As noted above, your business is only possible because of We the People. Therefore, you do NOT have the right to be greedy.
Says you and honestly, your opinion of what I should or should not have been doing is totally irrelevant.
As you would say, "See above."
And being that the only person having comprehension issues in this thread at this point is yourself
I am glad to see that others have started to explore the pitfalls of the economic system that have resulted in you needing to even post this
What were your points again? Oh yeah:
You confuse people's avatars with reality
You confuse tribal economics as a desired way of living by persons other than yourself
You confuse escalating costs borne by end users as purely capitalistic
You confuse employees with slavery
No, the points I made were:
The similarities between your mindset and that of Augustus. You were the one who mentioned "mud tribes" had it wrong to be communal, but I think
Augustus had it wrong considering the Roman Empire collapsed, and America is heading down that same path.
(The other points were addressed above.)
Are you seeing the theme here?
The theme is that you still continue to distort and dodge.
But I am not so surprised that you are confused with a great many things when you make absurd statements like the one below:
Ah, and you get mad that I underscore the failure August was, and point out the similarities between you and him, but you resort to this...