originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
AugustusMasonicus said, "Why? I did not get into business and risk my own capital to have you tell me how to manage my profits."
iosolomon replied, "But you are okay with the government telling you how to manage your own profits? Come on, buddy, get off your high horse."
AugustusMasonicus retorted, "And where did I say that?"
I don't understand why you are asking me this question. I also live in this world, and I have a right to say how it should be run. You either should
have addressed the substance of my argument, which was that you do not have a problem with the government telling you how to manage your profits, or
should not have said anything.
I am trying to have a colorful discussion with you, but the rest of your post shows that you resort to fallacious reasoning and fancy evasions of the
point at hand.
Tribal economics? Seriously? I think you are a few millennia behind the times. Get with the program.
Am I a few thousand years behind the times? Or have we devolved as a society? Again, you miss the point I was trying to raise. Instead, you dodge my
point like a politician would...like Augustus would...(which is why I brought up the picture, not to insult you on it, but to say that you should
raise above a pitiful example of a leader.)
No, just someone who knew how to run successful businesses, something obviously well beyond your comprehension or abilities to do.
The point I was bringing up, "How are you not greedy?" (and, this goes without saying, but you might need the clarification, "How are you not
greedy [for passing the costs onto the end users]?" And don't say that's just how the economy works, because I will refer you to economies that do
NOT work that way.)
I am fully in the real world where tribal economics is not something people practice.
Again, I am trying to challenge you to question the "real" world that you live in, but you resort to childish retorts.
iosolomon said, "More than half of the world, and I repeat, more than half of the world, are unable to provide for themselves or their families,
going hungry each night. This is a problem. Do you disagree? Of course you do, you got a "business" to run, and a capitalistic master to
And? What does this have to do with the thread? How is this even remotely relevant to governments dumping more and more hidden taxes on consumers?
How do not understand how that is related to this thread...? You are only able to run your business and make a profit because of the slave labor that
america and europe are currently employing. I then called you a slave to your capitalistic masters (which would include the government).
I apologize for speaking to you as if you were educated. You are the one who said that "running a business is beyond my comprehension," but I guess
that a philosophical and reflective dialogue with you is "beyond your comprehension." Hopefully, I have dumbed it down enough for you...
iosolomon said, "If the owner of a business is making more than his or her customers, then there is a problem."
Based on what findings? Your personal opinion?
Based on the definition of greed. Why should you benefit off of someone else's labor? You do not do anything more than demanding than any other
person does. And if you make the argument that you do, then I refer you to my point that we should design society so that your job isn't demanding.
(Of course, you chose to ignore that point...)
So the point is, you are not entitled to make any more money than anyone else (within reason). The owner of a restaurant? No, that's not a job that
deserves increased compensation. Now, if you said you were a doctor, the owner of your own clinic, that would be a different story (and, by doctor, I
mean general practitioner or even orthopedic surgeon instead of the scam-artists society calls dermatologists.)
iosolomon said,"But that might be asking too much of someone who uses a picture of Augustus as their avatar..."
Who cares about my avatar? Is that the best you can do? Insult people's avatars and call them 'greedy'?
I don't think I was insulting you for your avatar. I was pointing out that someone who idolizes Augustus is probably as wise as Augustus --as wise as
August-- I don't see an insult.
Do you disagree that you are not greedy?
Again, capitalism has nothing to do with end users paying more, every economic system (at least those that do not involve people living in mud huts)
will cause the same situation when costs go up.
And why do we live by such economic systems? Why do we live by such a system that your job as a business owner (which benefits off of other people's
hard-work) deserves to make so much money for it? What is so demanding about what you do? What can society do to make your job easier?
Since you idolized Augustus, you should be familiar with Plato's Noble Lie. You like this oppressive system of capitalism, because you get to benefit
off of other people's hard-work, and not feel "bad" about it, and you keep the lie going. You do not add any function to society that deserves you
to make so much money, and you should be heavily taxed for the lack of work that you actually do, and (since you have a tough time following the
implicit points I am making), you should NOT be passing this cost onto the end users.
Now, I hope that you will actually say something of substance to me. If you feel the need to continue dodging and evading the very valid points I am
bringing up, then you need not reply.