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The "One who does not believe in gods = Communist" conspiracy?

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posted on May, 12 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: NthOther
It's probably because militant Atheists are almost always political "progressives", who tend to lean toward policies of coerced (fake) social equality.

I understand there are many atheists of libertarian and anarchist persuasions as well; however, they are usually not of the militant (some would say "religious") type--hence they don't get the captial "A"--due to the constraints inherent in such philosophies.

The "New Atheists" who make a point to attack Christians at every opportunity they get are, with very high probability, usually "progressive social democrats".

State-socialists, in order words. Communism lite. I know I'll be slammed for making generalizations here, but I can't help it because it's true.

Simply put, militant Atheists have substituted the state for their god. They think the state can and should do everything, including replace religion.


If an atheist wants to "attack" a christian, shouldn't the christian be comfortable and secure enough in their belief to turn the other cheek? I mean, isn't that the whole point of being 'christian'?

As for religion as a whole and the notion that an atheist can be 'militant', I'd be inclined to use the term anti-theist instead.

Simply put, militant religion nut bars have substituted logic and reason for their unfounded belief structure. They think they can get away with anything, including force their beliefs on others.

See what I did there? I'll keep doing it, too until you realise how silly you sound.




posted on May, 13 2014 @ 01:53 PM
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Thanks for the excellent replies here folks and apologies for my poor thread management due to busy non-digital world stuff.
Some of the rebuttals to the wild claims of atheist/commie are far superior to how I could have debated the case, so thank you again, it would seem that we can all breathe and relax in the apparent and rather obvious understanding that such claims are ridiculous.

I shall enjoy referring future atheist/commie offenders to this thread in future lol



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 09:19 PM
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Full atheist here/anti-theist

In the U.S., we already live under a tyrannical government that is expanding that tyranny rapidly over time. I hesitate to say any one government ideal has the answers to all the problems and tyranny runs rampant in them all. A government's main role should be to protect the country it rules from invasion and deal with global issues as well. There's little more a head government needs to do in my opinion.

I classify myself as Libertarian. I have an anarchist side to me as well, but there must be some rules with murder, physical abuse and theft. I like the idea of communal living and barter systems, but have not put that to use in my life. I don't subscribe to any particular government system that I know is in use now, but checks and balances are necessary for any controlling body which puts all dictatorships out of possibility.

I am comfortable with some aspects of communism. I see no need for classes and it's obvious that capitalism has only increased the power of the wealthy and corporate entities. Since greed is the underlying driving force of corruption and tyranny, a truly communistic society would eliminate a large part of greed with a populace of mostly equal means.

I also highly disagree with many aspects of communism. The ability to own a portion of land outright and permanently is something I believe we should have. Personal inheritance is a non-communist right that I think should exist. And I certainly don't think that the government should have ownership of much of anything, with the exception of natural forests/areas to protect.

Sadly, the ideals I see making a more perfect society requires citizens to know and interact with their society than they seem willing or able to do. People all too easily shift the responsibility to others, leading to overly-empowered "leaders" that are more than happy to exert that power and control for their personal gain.

I am for freedom and liberty at my core, but, as I have anti-theist beliefs as well, I'd just love to see religion as a whole wiped out forever, letting people live their lives according to their own merits and have any repercussions from acting horribly(again: murder, abuse, theft - not much else) be decided by their victims and peers. I think if religion were abandoned as the fantasies that they are, not only would we all be working together towards positive goals and knowledge, but, people would be more personally responsible with each other.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: rottensociety

You have an astonishingly badly informed view about atheists.



Let me explain better. In an ideal world, we could be left to find our own spirituality - that is what I would really love. But I don't believe this is an ideal world, I believe the West is being deliberately steered into a completely new system. In the transcript of the NKVD interview with Bolshevik Rakovsky during the Moscow Trials, Rakovsky admitted that there was an organised plot to takeover the world using both Communism and Capitalism to lead to revolutions. Just follow the revolution trail yourself and you'll start realising what I mean. And for their future society to work, The International needs to change Western mentality from an Individualist way of thinking to favour Collectivism where each person is only valued by their contribution to society. In other words, if you can't work, you die. That is why Christianity has to go, because it defends the individual's right to live. Due to rapidly changing technology, there will be a huge amount of old "surplus people" in the future - what do you think the western governments are going to do about it??

Therefore to me it is logical to be suspicious of atheism and the destruction of Christianity when it's such a big part of the Marxist agenda. Collectivism is so cold and inhuman, I would rather support Individualism anyway.



posted on May, 13 2014 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: rottensociety

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: rottensociety

You have an astonishingly badly informed view about atheists.



Let me explain better. In an ideal world, we could be left to find our own spirituality - that is what I would really love. But I don't believe this is an ideal world, I believe the West is being deliberately steered into a completely new system. In the transcript of the NKVD interview with Bolshevik Rakovsky during the Moscow Trials, Rakovsky admitted that there was an organised plot to takeover the world using both Communism and Capitalism to lead to revolutions. Just follow the revolution trail yourself and you'll start realising what I mean. And for their future society to work, The International needs to change Western mentality from an Individualist way of thinking to favour Collectivism where each person is only valued by their contribution to society. In other words, if you can't work, you die. That is why Christianity has to go, because it defends the individual's right to live. Due to rapidly changing technology, there will be a huge amount of old "surplus people" in the future - what do you think the western governments are going to do about it??

Therefore to me it is logical to be suspicious of atheism and the destruction of Christianity when it's such a big part of the Marxist agenda. Collectivism is so cold and inhuman, I would rather support Individualism anyway.


I have no idea what that means, but if you are so against progress (which your post intimates) than I suggest you stop you're religious nonsense , and get with the rest of us.

Jesus probably didn't exist... it's the ideal you want.... no matter what. Good luck with that world viewpoint!.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: MarsIsRed

originally posted by: rottensociety

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: rottensociety

You have an astonishingly badly informed view about atheists.



Let me explain better. In an ideal world, we could be left to find our own spirituality - that is what I would really love. But I don't believe this is an ideal world, I believe the West is being deliberately steered into a completely new system. In the transcript of the NKVD interview with Bolshevik Rakovsky during the Moscow Trials, Rakovsky admitted that there was an organised plot to takeover the world using both Communism and Capitalism to lead to revolutions. Just follow the revolution trail yourself and you'll start realising what I mean. And for their future society to work, The International needs to change Western mentality from an Individualist way of thinking to favour Collectivism where each person is only valued by their contribution to society. In other words, if you can't work, you die. That is why Christianity has to go, because it defends the individual's right to live. Due to rapidly changing technology, there will be a huge amount of old "surplus people" in the future - what do you think the western governments are going to do about it??

Therefore to me it is logical to be suspicious of atheism and the destruction of Christianity when it's such a big part of the Marxist agenda. Collectivism is so cold and inhuman, I would rather support Individualism anyway.


I have no idea what that means, but if you are so against progress (which your post intimates) than I suggest you stop you're religious nonsense , and get with the rest of us.

Jesus probably didn't exist... it's the ideal you want.... no matter what. Good luck with that world viewpoint!.


What progress? We are throwing away progress at an ever increasing rate.
We aren't progressing, we are moving backwards.
We are resorting to barbarianism, superstition and tyranny.
Whee is this progress?
Unless of course you define progress as willingly killing our children, gratifying sexual pleasure at the expense of children and women and adopting laws to govern every minute of our lives? Is that it?



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 09:44 AM
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WAS ATHEISM IN PART RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIMES OF COMMUNISM?
A major atheist (Richard Dawkins, I believe) was interviewed not long ago on a national station. During the interview, he was asked to justify the evils perpetrated on tens of millions by the atheist leader, Stalin. The atheist’s response was that the connection between Stalin’s atheism and his great crimes is unfounded. Stalin, he said, had mustaches; could you not use the same logic, he added, and conclude that he killed people because he had mustaches?
The atheist’s response is foolish to such a magnitude that it is not really deserving of an answer. Nonetheless, for the sake of fairness, we will endeavor to assess his objection.
Was the philosophy of atheism, espoused by communists, responsible for the mass murders perpetrated by communist leaders such as Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Ceausescu? Let's look at some enlightening facts that militant atheists prefer not to acknowledge.
1. Communists leaders were motivated by a strong desire to impose an ideological "package" over the whole world. The package included the eradication of Religion, defined by arch-atheist, Karl Marx, as “The opium of the people.” According to Marx, Religion helped keep the masses passive before the abuse of the wealthy and powerful, and the only way to free them from the “stupor," God and Religion had to be eradicated. Lenin embraced Marx's views and so did Stalin, up to the Second World war. The enforcement of Atheism was a critical requirement for Communism’s success, and, thus, it had to be implemented at all costs. This meant oppressive measures, such as brainwashing in state schools, the closing of houses of worship and arresting countless religious leaders. (For an enlightening discussion of atheistic-vcommunism's persecution of the Christian Church, see the article, Persecution of Christians in the Soviet Union.)
2. Karl Marx’s extremist followers were not, in any way, impeded in their blood-thirsty global quest by fear of a Higher Power. Atheism took very efficient care of this “limiting factor.” Since the end justified the means, as Machiavelli had instructed, they could do whatever was necessary to bring about a workers’ paradise. Because the opposition in some cases proved to be powerful and resilient, drastic means were used. Large numbers were killed for refusing to abandon their religious beliefs. A great many were sent to concentration camps. (For an enlightening, first-hand account of suppression of Religion and other "enemies" of atheistic-cin Russia, please read, The Gulag Archipelago, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn -- especially Chapter 2.)
3. Communist-atheist leaders, in their own eyes, became supreme, all-knowing, all-wise and all powerful "gods." They had total control over people’s lives and over who lived and who died. Being "gods," they asserted their evil schemes over the masses with brutality and mercilessness.
4. People like Stalin were interested in propagating an ideology, not a look. Nobody was persecuted in the Soviet Union for not having a mustache like Stalin, or for not wearing a uniform similar to his, or for not liking the same food, music or sports. Large numbers were persecuted and killed for practicing religion, and for being interferences to atheist-communist expansion. Now some would retort that Stalin had a change of heart during the Second World War and that he recognized and elevated anew the Russian Orthodox Church. This is a historically correct statement, but in no way does it indicate that Stalin moved toward theism. The move was strictly utilitarian. Steven Merritt Miner in his work Stalin's Holy War informs us that Stalin had ulterior motives behind the move.
Moscow's religious policy at this time can only be understood in the context of Soviet security considerations, especially Moscow's concerns about the disaffection of non-Russian nationalities. The Kremlin saw the church not only, and perhaps not even primarily, as a tool for mobilizing and harnessing Russian nationalism throughout the union, but rather as one of several instruments for countering and disarming non-Russian, and anti-Soviet, nationalism. As most tsars could have told Stalin, the Russian Orthodox Church was an effective agent for the Russification of the ethnically diverse and contentious western regions. [1]
This move, though seemingly noble, did not neutralize or excuse his heinous actions toward countless Christians and Muslims who were killed, so as to facilitate the spread of Stalin's atheistic-communistic ideology.
Militant atheism, therefore, was a major factor in the murder of countless millions, during the past century. Unfortunately, militant atheism, is still driven by some of the same extremist views reminiscent of atheist-communist regimes of old. They, like their predecessors, do not hesitate to admit that they hate God, Rand that they would like to see both disappear forever. Furthermore, they are driven by a hatred for the unborn, and a blind support for common-law living, sexual immorality, euthanasia, etc.
The understandable concern of many is that a propagation of their philosophy of meaninglessness and their blind allegiance to atheistic evolution would lead, in the long run, to a return to a cold-hearted and dangerous devaluing of the weak and the needy in society; though they assure us that that is not part of their agenda. We believe that their cold-heartiness toward millions of unborn babies, and their total support of euthanasia indicates otherwise.
Theist author, Dinesh D'Souza, eloquently expresses similar concerns in the following quote:
The crimes of atheism have generally been perpetrated through a hubristic ideology that sees man, not God, as the creator of values. Using the latest techniques of science and technology, man seeks to displace God and create a secular utopia here on earth. Of course if some people - the Jews, the landowners, the unfit, or the handicapped - have to be eliminated in order to achieve this utopia, this is a price the atheist tyrants and their apologists have shown themselves quite willing to pay. Thus they confirm the truth of Fyodor Dostoyevsky's dictum, "If God is not, everything is permitted.
That is the kind of world we must strive to prevent. That is the kind of world this site, and many others like it, are determined to combat.


Source: atheismexposed.tripod.com...

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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:08 AM
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Source: www.simpletoremember.com...

God not so dead: Atheism in decline worldwide
Gurat, France – There seems to be a growing consensus around the globe that godlessness is in trouble.
“Atheism as a theoretical position is in decline worldwide,” Munich theologian Wolfhart Pannenberg told United Press International Tuesday.
His Oxford colleague Alister McGrath agrees. Atheism’s “future seems increasingly to lie in the private beliefs of individuals rather than in the great public domain it once regarded as its habitat,” he wrote in the U.S. magazine, Christianity Today.
Two developments are plaguing atheism these days. One is that it appears to be losing its scientific underpinnings. The other is the historical experience of hundreds of millions of people worldwide that atheists are in no position to claim the moral high ground.
Writes Turkish philosopher Harun Yahya, “Atheism, which people have tried to for hundreds of years as ‘the ways of reason and science,’ is proving to be mere irrationality and ignorance.”
As British philosopher Anthony Flew, once as hard-nosed a humanist as any, mused when turning his back on his former belief: It is, for example, impossible for evolution to account for the fact than one single cell can carry more data than all the volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica put together.
Flew still does not accept the God of the Bible. But he has embraced the intelligent design concept of scholars such as William Dembski who only four years ago claimed to have been mobbed by pro-evolutionist colleagues at – of all places – Baylor University, a highly respected Southern Baptist institution in Waco, Tex.
The stunning desertion of a former intellectual ambassador of secular humanism to the belief in some form of intelligence behind the design of the universe makes Yahya’s prediction sound probable: “The time is fast approaching when many people who are living in ignorance with no knowledge of their Creator will be graced by faith in the impending post-atheist world.”
A few years ago, European scientists s'n-word'ed when studies in the United States – for example, at Harvard and Duke universities – showed a correlation between faith, prayer and recovery from illness. Now 1,200 studies at research centers around the world have come to similar conclusions, according to “Psychologie Heute,” a German journal, citing, for example, the marked improvement of multiple sclerosis patients in Germany’s Ruhr District due to “spiritual resources.”
Atheism’s other Achilles heel are the acts on inhumanity and lunacy committed in its name. As McGrath relates in Christianity Today: “With time (atheism) turned out to have just as many frauds, psychopaths, and careerists as religion does. ... With Stalin and Madalyn Murray O’Hair, atheism seems to have ended up mimicking the vices of the Spanish Inquisition and the worst televangelists, respectively.”
John Updike’s observation, “Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been is drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position,” appears to become common currency throughout much of the West. The Rev. Paul M. Zulehner, dean of Vienna University’s divinity school and one of the world’s most distinguished sociologists of religion, told UPI Tuesday: “True atheists in Europe have become an infinitesimally small group. There are not enough of them to be used for sociological research.”
The only exceptions to this rule, Zulehner said, are the former East Germany and the Czech Republic, where, as the saying goes, de-Christianization has been the only proven success of these regions’ former communist rulers.
Zulehner cautions, however, that in the rest of Europe re-Christianization is by no means occurring. “What we are observing instead is a re-paganization,” he went on, and this worries Christian theologians such as Munich’s Pannenberg and the Rev. Gerald McDermott, an Episcopal priest and professor of religion and philosophy at Roanoke College in Salem, Va.
For although in every major European city except Paris spirituality is booming, according to Zulehner, this only proves the emergence of a diffuse belief system, Pannenberg said, but not the revitalization of traditional Christian religious faith.
Observing a similar phenomenon in the United States, McDermott stated that the “rise of all sorts of paganism is creating a false spirituality that proves to be a more dangerous rival to the Christian faith than atheism.”
After all, a Satanist is also “spiritual.”
Pannenberg, a Lutheran, praised the Roman Catholic Church for handling this peril more wisely than many of his fellow Protestants. “The Catholics stick to the central message of Christianity without making any concessions in the ethical realm,” he said, referring to issues such as same-sex “marriages” and abortion.
In a similar vain, Zulehner, a Catholic, sees Christianity’s greatest opportunity when its message addresses two seemingly irreconcilable quests of contemporary humanity - the quest for freedom and truth. “Christianity alone affirms that truth and God’s dependability are inseparable properties to which freedom is linked.”
As for the “peril of spirituality,” Zulehner sounded quite sanguine. He concluded from his research that in the long run the survival of worldviews should be expected to follow this lineup:
“The great world religions are best placed,” he said. As a distant second he sees the diffuse forms of spirituality. Atheism, he insisted, will come in at the tail end.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 10:51 AM
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Interesting thread OP, there certainly is an issue regarding massing political ideologies and religions together for no reason other than ignorance. Anyway If anyone here feels obliged check out my blog. the-commondeeror.tumblr.com...



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: solomons path
Lol, agreed.
Such desperation to slur people who don't believe in gods as commies, it is amusing due to the ridiculous reasoning, but also rather sad that anyone can actually think it is true.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: solomons path
Lol, agreed.
Such desperation to slur people who don't believe in gods as commies, it is amusing due to the ridiculous reasoning, but also rather sad that anyone can actually think it is true.



It is desperate and it's also astonishingly ignorant. I wonder why he does it?



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 12:25 PM
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a reply to: AngryCymraeg
Religious brainwashing perhaps?
I imagine some red faced crazy preacher roaring about the commie atheists hiding under our beds lol



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


I can spit on your god's holy book and still sleep soundly with no repercussions whatsoever. Hell, I can burn the damn thing and not get smote by a mighty fist from the clouds. So no, we don't have to run or hide.
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


That must be why the "atheists" are not "hiding" . . . Your arguments and belief hold no truth? No wonder believers seek so desperately for the "all-knowing" purveyor of "truth". . . they don't know how to figure it out on their own.

Keep proselytizing brother!



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


I can spit on your god's holy book and still sleep soundly with no repercussions whatsoever. Hell, I can burn the damn thing and not get smote by a mighty fist from the clouds. So no, we don't have to run or hide.


Shame on you for such a vile and disrespectful post. Don't you Atheists have any conscious decency or respect for anybody else, and their beliefs?



posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:35 PM
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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


I can spit on your god's holy book and still sleep soundly with no repercussions whatsoever. Hell, I can burn the damn thing and not get smote by a mighty fist from the clouds. So no, we don't have to run or hide.


Shame on you for such a vile and disrespectful post. Don't you Atheists have any conscious decency or respect for anybody else, and their beliefs?


Ummm . . . Respect is a two way street. You can be the typical christian and play the victim or claim persecution . . . or, you can reread your posts about Atheists and see if you follow your own condemnations.

Respect. People get what they give, or in biblical terms, reap what they sow. Can't whine about your religious freedom and demand respect for your beliefs, while all the time taking a crap on others.
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: solomons path

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: AfterInfinity

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


I can spit on your god's holy book and still sleep soundly with no repercussions whatsoever. Hell, I can burn the damn thing and not get smote by a mighty fist from the clouds. So no, we don't have to run or hide.


Shame on you for such a vile and disrespectful post. Don't you Atheists have any conscious decency or respect for anybody else, and their beliefs?


Ummm . . . Respect is a two way street. You can be the typical christian and play the victim or claim persecution . . . or, you can reread your posts about Atheists and see if you follow your own condemnations.

Respect.


Condemning Atheist ideology and its otherwise religious belief system is not playing the victim or a claiming persecution. IMO, you can state your opinion and what you believe without insulting someone else's beliefs, and if I have insulted any of my atheists friends, then I apologize. After all, I am a Christian.
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posted on May, 14 2014 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: solomons path
a reply to: rickynews

Wow . . . so you are telling me that a zealous evangelical (Caputo) and Judeo-Christian apologetics website share the same opinion as you, a zealous Christian?

Who would have guessed? Definitely no echo chamber or confirmation bias at work here . . . Solid logic.



When it comes to the Truth,..Atheists can run, but they cannot hide.


What truth? Why do you keep insulting atheists? Are you really that unsure about your own position that you have to lash out with insults?



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