The "One who does not believe in gods = Communist" conspiracy?

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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 08:26 AM
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I've started this topic after reading some rather child-like assertions in another thread that due to the history of communist tyranny and associated lack of belief in gods, then anyone who has no faith in current times is somehow automatically alligned with communist thinking.

I do not believe in any gods, or for that matter, ghosts, goblins, elves, pixies, angels, demons or the boogyman. I've stated often here that I do not assert such things do not exist, just that I have seen no evidence in my life to draw me towards believing in such things.

I am not alligned to any political party or ideology, I am a free thinking individual who looks at politics and government as a separate consideration, and I am glad that I do not live in a communist country.
Political/governmental policies can be tested and observed but spiritual claims can not.

So...PEOPLE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY GODS, DO YOU SUPPORT COMMUNISM AND TYRANNY BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF BLIND FAITH?

...or are such claims just more ridiculous assertions from the religious folk, in a conspiratorial attempt to slur those who do not believe in the same things they do? Please share your non-belief/support of communism thoughts here, it will be interesting to see how many tyranical commy non-believers are here. I'm guessing not many.

*Edit*
In the spirit of inclusivity I welcome any thoughts from those who believe in gods of any flavour...do you support the claim that people who do not believe in gods are likely to support tyranical communism as a direct consequence of having no faith?
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 08:43 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I'm not in those categories you limit your request for responses to. But I do have an opinion…

…or are such claims just more ridiculous assertions from the religious folk, in a conspiratorial attempt to slur those who do not believe in the same things they do?


That.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: intrptr
Thanks for the reply, I shall edit the OP to be more inclusive, as thoughts supporting/rejecting the commy/atheist claims are welcome from all areas of the belief spectrum.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:06 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Cool. I do believe in the spirit world, just not like those who practice man made religion. They have a unique view that only their particular religion is the right one. That only they are saved and all the rest are heathens.

Everyone else worships the "wrong God". What they really mean when they say that is "they worship the devil".

Then its easy to kill because they all are going to hell anyway…

Religion is the worst bed for breeding the kind of haters governments need to start wars, make money and exercise control.

Bunch of control freaks that perpetrate their brand of evil upon mankind in the name of God combined with nationalism and patriotism. Regardless of what they call it.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:13 AM
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I'm an atheist and I am not a communist, nor do I believe in tyranny. I'm a middle-of-the-road British Liberal Democrat. And I get really annoyed with people who insist that all atheists are communists/socialists/mentally unstable.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:26 AM
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Am an anarchist .. also follow zen buddhism / shinto .. have neither a need nor use for western religion and its god as thats an excuse for people to justify hate.. greed.. murder.. and anything else they feel like .. western religion is a scam and repressive control of people in the name of primitive superstition ..



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:32 AM
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I've seen a lot of strange things in my life that were absolutely real, however, I've never seen god or jesus. I keep an open mind and eyes wide open though. But for now, IMO, all religions are a scam. But I don't think that not believing makes anyone a communist. It's just free thinking.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

This association stems from dogmatic thinking which is installed by religion. It's curable.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 09:50 AM
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I would say the basics material need should be provided for all on this planet without question before giving one single thought on the luxuries some crave.

This is 2014. If humans where not such a # up specie sociologically then you would have built a Star Trek like community long ago. 2000 years since Jesus and even more time since Buddha and humanity have still not fixed this. A lot of talk no real action. Just the same power pyramid structures again and again creating duality and groups vs groups.

Jesus was as anti greed as you can get. You cannot follow Jesus teachings while being greedy. Jesus or mammon?

For those who need to label me with a view garment. I am a fan of both Buddha and Jesus and find their teachings en-light-ning. Do not have the same opinion on Paul.

Just look at IMF and Aid to Africa. Parasitism in form of economic enslavement is what the western world have given Africa not help getting out of poverty. The western world do not help Africa it feeds on Africa.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 10:38 AM
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They do believe in God. Their god is the state.

That's why they are trying to replace the family with the state, with handouts as if the state is the parents taking care of the kids.

That's why feminism is trying to destroy the family and say that a women should not need a man, but the state.

Government is their god so they can force people to do want the government wants. THerefore, God must be destroy and replace by the feds.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: grainofsand

I don't think it has anything to do with belief in God.

Christianity and most religions support "Individualism" as in, every individual has the right to live.

Marxist Communists support "Collectivism" which means you are useless if you are a burden to the rest of society. Therefore old people, disabled people and "surplus people" ie people who don't have a job anymore because of new technology, should be eliminated from the population of healthy workers.

People who do not support Christianity, ie atheists, are very easily led into a Marxist-Collectivist way of thinking by the media because they have nothing to remind them to be individualistic and they start believing in the web of lies that the Marxists are spinning and forget that in a few years time, they themselves, will be old and "surplus to requirement". Christianity is a reminder every Sunday to be civilised and nice to each other.

Therefore most atheists support Marxist Collectivism without even realising it and they have been encouraged to openly criticise and hate the Church because they read biased newspaper reports about the planted paedophiles, etc.

So yes, most atheists are supporting Marxism without even knowing they are.

Incidentally, I have a question for you: since the decline of Christianity in recent years, do you think the children of today are civilised and nice to each other? Do you read many comments from nice, civilised teenagers on the internet?? Because I don't. I work with children and over the years I have seen their mentality change for the worse. I can see with my own eyes that more and more of them are not civilised, not respectful and they have a great sense of self-entitlement - which is the exact reverse of what Christianity teaches.

I'm glad that you can be so infallible without Christianity, unfortunately most people are not and can't do without some kind of moral code to stop them slipping back into barbarism. Like I said, it's not about believing in a god, it's about having a good mentality towards other people and being "civilised" and atheism does not guarantee that at all.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: rottensociety

You have an astonishingly badly informed view about atheists.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:01 AM
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It's probably because militant Atheists are almost always political "progressives", who tend to lean toward policies of coerced (fake) social equality.

I understand there are many atheists of libertarian and anarchist persuasions as well; however, they are usually not of the militant (some would say "religious") type--hence they don't get the captial "A"--due to the constraints inherent in such philosophies.

The "New Atheists" who make a point to attack Christians at every opportunity they get are, with very high probability, usually "progressive social democrats".

State-socialists, in order words. Communism lite. I know I'll be slammed for making generalizations here, but I can't help it because it's true.

Simply put, militant Atheists have substituted the state for their god. They think the state can and should do everything, including replace religion.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: NthOther
Sorry, but this one of my bugbears. What exactly is a militant atheist? I'm an atheist and I've never met a militant one in my life. Just what the hell do you think atheists do, meet in a giant hall, give each other secret handshakes and then plot to take over the world?



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: rottensociety
a reply to: grainofsand

I don't think it has anything to do with belief in God.

Strange, because you must believe in a god to be a theist, and if you do not believe in a god then one is labeled atheist.


Christianity and most religions support "Individualism" as in, every individual has the right to live.

Depends on the rabid faith of the religious believer - suicide bombers, murdering abortion doctors etc.
And since when is blindly following orders of an invisible entity a demonstration of individualism?


Marxist Communists support "Collectivism" which means you are useless if you are a burden to the rest of society. Therefore old people, disabled people and "surplus people" ie people who don't have a job anymore because of new technology, should be eliminated from the population of healthy workers.

People who do not support Christianity, ie atheists, are very easily led into a Marxist-Collectivist way of thinking by the media because they have nothing to remind them to be individualistic and they start believing in the web of lies that the Marxists are spinning and forget that in a few years time, they themselves, will be old and "surplus to requirement". Christianity is a reminder every Sunday to be civilised and nice to each other.

So without going to church on a Sunday one is more likely to be drawn into a Marxist ideology?? Really?! Hahahaha that is priceless!


Therefore most atheists support Marxist Collectivism without even realising it and they have been encouraged to openly criticise and hate the Church because they read biased newspaper reports about the planted paedophiles, etc.
Wow, so many thousands of 'planted' paedophiles, it must be a dark atheist conspiracy...lol ridiculous.


So yes, most atheists are supporting Marxism without even knowing they are.

Again, ridiculous.


Incidentally, I have a question for you: since the decline of Christianity in recent years, do you think the children of today are civilised and nice to each other? Do you read many comments from nice, civilised teenagers on the internet?? Because I don't. I work with children and over the years I have seen their mentality change for the worse. I can see with my own eyes that more and more of them are not civilised, not respectful and they have a great sense of self-entitlement - which is the exact reverse of what Christianity teaches.

My son is late teens, all his social group are nice and kind, it's down to parenting, not religion.


I'm glad that you can be so infallible without Christianity, unfortunately most people are not and can't do without some kind of moral code to stop them slipping back into barbarism. Like I said, it's not about believing in a god, it's about having a good mentality towards other people and being "civilised" and atheism does not guarantee that at all.
Belief in any gods does not guarantee that either, plenty of folk murdered in the name of religion/gods over the years, even to this day.
You must feel people are so weak that they need an invisible entity dishing out the rules. Whereas in my godless life I find it quite easy to see what is nice behaviour and what is not - and that is fair to say for everyone I know, without faith, or fear of damnation.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: NthOther
Sorry, but this one of my bugbears. What exactly is a militant atheist? I'm an atheist and I've never met a militant one in my life. Just what the hell do you think atheists do, meet in a giant hall, give each other secret handshakes and then plot to take over the world?

Militant=always on the offensive.

New here? They're everywhere.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: NthOther
Ah, interesting, you are narrowing down the commie/atheist label to "militant atheists" after realising that not all people who do not believe in gods are commies.
Again though, a tragic generalisation which is pretty much unsubstantiated and no more than a personal assertion.

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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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Why do you label communism as tyrannical?

Look at the western government establishments, I'd label them just as tyrannical.

But anyway, I agree that religion has nothing to do with communism, it's purely a state of politics.

True Communism is about an equal social order, where in a Democracy there is a social hierarchy.

I suppose when people believe in god they are more likely to accept being low on the social ladder due to being submissive to a greater power already, where as I suppose if you don't believe in a god you're probably less likely to accept authority.

so to answer your question, I suppose some atheists are Communists.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:17 AM
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originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: NthOther
Sorry, but this one of my bugbears. What exactly is a militant atheist? I'm an atheist and I've never met a militant one in my life. Just what the hell do you think atheists do, meet in a giant hall, give each other secret handshakes and then plot to take over the world?

Militant=always on the offensive.

New here? They're everywhere.


Are you seriously saying that atheists are going door-to-door with copies of their latest newsheets about the non-existence of god? Are there atheist TV stations where non-preachers beg for money? Are there non-churches being built? No, of course not, don't be ridiculous. I wish that atheists were 'everywhere', because then we might have fewer cases of hatred and bigotry based upon whichever book of myths is being used in that area.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: DAZ21
Why do you label communism as tyrannical?

Look at the western government establishments, I'd label them just as tyrannical.

But anyway, I agree that religion has nothing to do with communism, it's purely a state of politics.

I agree, and the tyranical label was only from the silly posts I had read in another thread which inspired this topic.
I actually hope the person concerned comes here to discuss it as I didn't want to go off-topic in the other thread.





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