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originally posted by: spirit_horse
a reply to: whyamIhere
And wealth redistribution! Taking from those that can pay a BIT (whatever that means) more and giving to those that could care less about working because they get free phones, insurance, food, shelter assistance, and cash FREE from the LEFT government.
originally posted by: spirit_horse
a reply to: Indigo5
That chart is what the insurance company themselves put out! I only took a screen shot of it and put it out there.
originally posted by: spirit_horse
The insurance company themselves are putting this out there and showing the comparisons. Ask yourself why they would do that? They must think it shows the changes from before and after.
originally posted by: spirit_horse
As a male, I don't need birth control, pregnancy coverage, and the like. So, a policy that would have been what they show, is now loaded with BS I don't need and has driven costs up not down. Not to mention the things not covered now, like pain management.
originally posted by: spirit_horse
So, let me get this right...the insurance company which was involved in pushing this law are now putting out propaganda? LOL! What BS!
originally posted by: Daedalus
incorrect. as another poster pointed out, Hill-Burton was set up to handle that sort of thing. it's basically a hospital's "charity care" program....i've made use of the service myself. it doesn't cover everything, but it absolutely covers the hospital's part of the overall bill.
originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: Indigo5
just out of curiosity, how did you happen to get information on the plans in question?
i ask, because when i go to their site, i can't seem to get enough to determine...well, anything
originally posted by: Daedalus
the bluecare 806 plan no longer exists, and the 1491P plan appears to be a platinum-level plan....but it's possible that's all they were willing to offer him, giving his myriad existing conditions.
how did you come to the conclusion that this is all B.S.?
originally posted by: spirit_horse
a reply to: Indigo5
Not a problem. As soon as I get to the house I will put the whole thing here for you to look at. I am at work now. I did not look up the individual plans. The insurance company sent these documents along with the contract. So, they showed plans comparing the two to before and after. Which politician or insurance company do you work for?
originally posted by: Indigo5
Whatever his myriad of conditions...and I think he explained he had NONE?...that would not effect deductible.
otherwise they have plans that have full/same coverage at various deductibles (what you are on the hook for each year)
The two plans he showed for comparison were one bare bones with a 15,000 dollar annual deductible...WOW ...compared to a ZERO deductible and 0% Co-Insurance...essentially never pay a dime for anything again..
It was egregious BS, whoever is responsible.
originally posted by: Indigo5
Okay...Not your BS, you are only guilty of BS distribution without critical thought? Is that the plea?
Or they thought that fevered ideologues already opposed to Obamacare wouldn't bother to engage their thinking centers' and look up the most basic of facts surrounding the plans they compared?
Not sure what you are trying to say? Or how it is relevant? They compared the lowest option plan with a plan you'd expect a Goldman Sachs executive to have? Even amongst what you try to explain above, one plan had a 15,000 annual deductible and the other plan had ZERO deductible...You do understand what that means?
I did however find one of the letters that Florida Blue sent out to it's low-end Policy holders to transition them to Obamacare policies...and apparently it states a cost of $169.66 and doesn't mention the Ferrari/Zero Deductable plan that you tried to pawn off.
Maybe share more of the letter you claim to have received? Only the one line would include your name or identifying account numbers? Let's go ahead and dig into the truth here? OK?
Cuz the FACTS and direct links I have provided show that the BS you provided is BS...now you claim it was Blue Care Florida that BSed...Please show more of the letter and let's figure out who is responsible for the now indisputable BS.
originally posted by: Daedalus
also, 860 had a 5k deductible, not 15k..
originally posted by: Indigo5
originally posted by: Daedalus
also, 860 had a 5k deductible, not 15k..
Correct, my mistake.
860
has a $5,000 deductible,
$10,000 for family,
$15,000 Out of pocket maximum,
$1,500 deductible for Pharmacy,
$35 co-pay for GP Office visits and $65 for specialists visits.
ER visit - $500 co-payment etc. etc.
1491P
has a $0 Deductible fro individual
and $0 Deductible for family
a $2k out of pocket maximum
$0-$10 Co-pay on drugs
$10 Co-Pay for GP Visit, $20 for specialist
ER Visit - $75 co-payment, waived if admitted
Ya Know what else is interesting...
The letter claims 1491P (Ferrari Plan) will cost AFTER Obamacare..
Ages 21-29 $347
Ages 30-54 $466
Ages 55-64 $888
Well..we no longer need to speculate?
What are the costs of Blue Care Florida 1491p now that Obamacare has passed?
Ages 21-27 $280.29 (abt 87 dollars less per month...abt a 1,000 less per year than claimed)
Ages 27-30 $293
ages 30-40 $318
ages 40-50 $358
ages 50-60 $500
Ages 60+ $760
data.healthcare.gov...
So there we have claims and reality...
What about this OP is NOT BS?
Honestly...all personal feeling aside of whether I am an "asshat" or not...does anyone respect themselves enough to seek facts and truth regardless of ideology?