The Pope Wants Redistribution by the State!

For a disclaimer I'm a pretty progressive athiest, but I LOVE this new pope.


So in a meeting with the UN the pope said that wealth distribution by the state is the way to go.

I'm really curious to see what conservative Catholics think about this. With the popes preaching being infallible does this change your view in politics or do your politics decide your religion?

Anyone feel free to comment not just Catholics.

We need redistribution of the money that they have stolen from us. The way they get our money may be "legal", but they are the ones who wrote and paid for the laws in the first place.

I say end money altogether, but redistribution is a good start in my opinion. The pope seems to be saying all the right things, but saying and doing are two different things. I doubt anything will come of this though, it's all lip service in my opinion.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

IIRC . . . the globalists plan to . . . exterminate all but 200-500 million folks on the planet.

THEN to wipe out all remaining debts and give every individual equal to $10,000 or some such.

. . . providing, of course . . .

that folks take the ID chip implant and agree to worship the world leader . . . satan incarnate.

I've read it asserted that one family--the Rothschilds--are worth $300 TRILLION with a T.

Others say it's the whole globalist oligarchy of families that's worth that much. Regardless, that's a LOT to redistribute . . . as though they'd willingly go that route in behalf of their serfs and slave s.
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a reply to: BO XIAN

Don't ever change Bo you make every atheist point far them. Just keep talking... Lmao

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: BO XIAN

Don't ever change Bo you make every atheist point far them. Just keep talking... Lmao

I know. He says all that like it's a bad thing.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Good marketing plan! Pope gets stuff done or tries to get stuff done, then people are beholding to the RC via the pope. Maybe personal disposable income goes up, hey, give more to your great benefactor to keep the ball rolling, the RC church. Yeah, it's wealth redistribution alright LOL. From governments and the "elite" to the debt salves and back to the RC church. It's all about redirection and re-centralization of control.

The RC church has some good advertising and marketing people LOL.

Cheers - Dave

So does this mean the Catholic institution will start first?
They are THE wealthiest institution known to man...

Let us watch them start their "redistribution" from their own vaults. Other than that, I just see another wealthy man talking in code about how to increase taxing and disperse the middle class wealth unto all the poor around the world. I can guarantee he doesn't mean to redistribute the church's wealth.

Here's an article that has quotes.

Let's decide what the Pope actually said or meant....

Pope Francis: Zacchaeus and “legitimate redistribution”

And did he say this in what language?

With this in mind, I would like to remind you, as representatives of the chief agencies of global cooperation, of an incident which took place two thousand years ago and is recounted in the Gospel of Saint Luke (19:1-10). It is the encounter between Jesus Christ and the rich tax collector Zacchaeus, as a result of which Zacchaeus made a radical decision of sharing and justice, because his conscience had been awakened by the gaze of Jesus. This same spirit should be at the beginning and end of all political and economic activity. The gaze, often silent, of that part of the human family which is cast off, left behind, ought to awaken the conscience of political and economic agents and lead them to generous and courageous decisions with immediate results, like the decision of Zacchaeus. Does this spirit of solidarity and sharing guide all our thoughts and actions, I ask myself?

Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others.

The account of Jesus and Zacchaeus teaches us that above and beyond economic and social systems and theories, there will always be a need to promote generous, effective and practical openness to the needs of others. Jesus does not ask Zacchaeus to change jobs nor does he condemn his financial activity; he simply inspires him to put everything, freely yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others. Consequently, I do not hesitate to state, as did my predecessors (cf. JOHN PAUL II,Sollicitudo Rei Socialis, 42-43; Centesimus Annus, 43; BENEDICT XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 6; 24-40), that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.

Consequently, while encouraging you in your continuing efforts to coordinate the activity of the international agencies, which represents a service to all humanity, I urge you to work together in promoting a true, worldwide ethical mobilization which, beyond all differences of religious or political convictions, will spread and put into practice a shared ideal of fraternity and solidarity, especially with regard to the poorest and those most excluded.

Link to Vatican...

a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I don't know dude. I think this pope really believes this. I think Christianity is being slaughtered between science disproving the literal accounts and conservative evangelicals being the loudest Christians in the room. This kinda guy might bring it back.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I don't know dude. I think this pope really believes this. I think Christianity is being slaughtered between science disproving the literal accounts and conservative evangelicals being the loudest Christians in the room. This kinda guy might bring it back.

It is very interesting that you bring this up as there is actually an old Catholic prophesy concerning this pope which allowed this Tom Horn and Chris Putnam character to predict the last pope stepping down and that this pope would be enacting fairly radical policy changes.

Here is a link to a radio broadcast (warning as an stringent atheist you might rage often during the broadcast) which the two go into the how they did so;

Tom Horn, Cris Putnam and Steve Quayle join Hagmann and Hagmann to discuss the recent events and realization that we may be witnessing prophecy unfold before our very eyes as we learn that Pope Benedict XVI is stepping down.
Will the next Pope elected actually be the final Pope and indeed be the False Prophet that leads to the entrance and rise of the Antichrist as prophesied centuries ago in the Prophetic writings of St.Malachy....

After Pope Benedict XVI announced his resignation, those familiar with a 12th-century prophecy claiming the next pope will be the last questioned if Judgment Day is quickly approaching. There is much speculation about the truth to these writings and some disagree and argue whether content has been changed over the years.

The "Prophecy of the Popes" is attributed to St. Malachy, an Irish archbishop who was canonized a saint in 1190, In his predication, dated 1139, Malachy prophesied that there would be 112 more popes before Judgment Day. Benedict is supposedly the 111th pope.

The Prophecy offers brief descriptions about each pope, and some of them align with reality in some way. For example, Benedict is apparently denoted as the "Glory of the Olive," and the Olivetans are affiliated with Benedictine Order.
The "Prophecy of Popes" stops at the 112th pope and ends with a cryptic warning of doomsday....

I personally apologize for making you listen to Steve Quayle, that is if you do listen to the broadcast.

-FBB

ATS Thread - Pope Demands Wealth Redistribution

Yep. We got this yesterday.
Most everyone is not too keen on it.

originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
Tom Horn

Oh don't get me started on that Tom Horn fella. He's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I've read his books. Seriously absurd.

I personally apologize for making you listen to Steve Quayle,

I used to read Steve Quayle daily .. but in the past year or so all he does is link to 'Before it's news' and he pushes the anti-Catholic Tom Horn silliness. I've caught him reprocessing known anti-Catholic hoaxes as well. Lame.

Their 11% tithings have equalized the world every decade or so and yet, its getting worse, superrich and mostly poor.

It seems they horde their wealth and build telescopes, invest in real estate and possibly IMO fund guerilla warfare to take poor villagers off their traditional lands....

They can cough up, and queenie and the rothchild/rockerfellers can all join suit.

Yes restribute their vast reserves to the real people.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: FriedBabelBroccoli
Tom Horn

Oh don't get me started on that Tom Horn fella. He's trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I've read his books. Seriously absurd.

I personally apologize for making you listen to Steve Quayle,

I used to read Steve Quayle daily .. but in the past year or so all he does is link to 'Before it's news' and he pushes the anti-Catholic Tom Horn silliness. I've caught him reprocessing known anti-Catholic hoaxes as well. Lame.

Well give credit when it is due.

He pretty much called the date when the last pope would step down, which can be evidence for self fulfilling prophecy or that maybe there was some truth to it. I find it interesting that to make this a self fulfilling prophecy the papacy would have to essentially control the media and have created seemingly spontaneous outrage against policies in advance to manifest such a change at the right time.

Steve Quayle makes my brain hurt, I never really paid much attention to him. Tom Horn got my attention when he called the date, and then the lightning struck the basilica. He is clearly no Catholic and the lightning strike was pretty spooky.

Let me repeat, I personally apologize for folks having to listen to Steve Quayle if they listen to the broadcast.

-FBB

UM did Popi offer to open HIS coffers.....if not its just Pope-aganda.....

a reply to: Cuervo

I know. He says all that like it's a bad thing.

Sooooooooooooooooooo . . . evidently you are happily in step with the globalists

who think it's a wonderful thing

to genocidally forcably exterminate all but 200-500 individual souls on the planet by WWIII, engineered plagues etc?

So, which of your friends and relatives are YOU "volunteering' to be among the first exterminated?

. . .

And when the Pope 'reveals' as he's clearly planning to do . . . that our "space brothers" helping the globalists set up the one world government and one world religion . . . 'have new spiritual revelations about Salvation . . . purportedly truer than The Gospels . . . I assume you'll be cool with that, too.

And when the Pope adjusts the wealth redistribution blather to excuse not really changing much . . . I assume you'll be cool with that too?

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originally posted by: BO XIAN
a reply to: Cuervo

I know. He says all that like it's a bad thing.

Sooooooooooooooooooo . . . evidently you are happily in step with the globalists

who think it's a wonderful thing

to genocidally forcably exterminate all but 200-500 individual souls on the planet by WWIII, engineered plagues etc?

So, which of your friends and relatives are YOU "volunteering' to be among the first exterminated?

. . .

And when the Pope 'reveals' as he's clearly planning to do . . . that our "space brothers" helping the globalists set up the one world government and one world religion . . . 'have new spiritual revelations about Salvation . . . purportedly truer than The Gospels . . . I assume you'll be cool with that, too.

And when the Pope adjusts the wealth redistribution blather to excuse not really changing much . . . I assume you'll be cool with that too?

.

I don't know what you are talking about with the "space brothers" thing nor do I believe in any of that as an "NWO agenda" or what not. Also, when I think about trimming down the population, I'm not talking about genocide; I'm talking BIRTH CONTROL.

Generations from now, it would be entirely possible, without killing a single person for this purpose, to have a much smaller human race that can sustain itself and prevent harm to the planet. I don't believe we are overpopulated but having less people with more resources isn't a "bad" thing.

I just find it funny when people start complaining about the "new world order" by highlighting all these agenda points that actually don't sound any worse than the old world order. In fact, I'm convinced that these people everybody calls the "NWO" are, in fact, the "old world order" and have been in charge for quite a while. You and I are the "new world order".

a reply to: Cuervo

Glad you weren't talking about the oligarchy's forced genocidal actions.

Certainly the oligarchy HAVE been in charge for at least several hundred years. Certainly the same ilk of focus was operative in Babylon.

However, I'm not at all willing to be part of their satanic cabal.

Some trace them back 400 years. Others trace them back to Rome. Certainly their fallen angel boss has been working on the project for millenia.

I agree, the world is not overpopulated. However, the technologies to make the deserts bloom for pennies is being withheld--purportedly in order to prevent a mushrooming population to 25 billion.

Thankfully, The Book indicates that "only" about half the current population will be exterminated by wars etc. in the END TIMES.

Still, that's more than enough blood to fulfill any sicko's bloodlust, imho.

The Pope really doesn't nail it here with this Zacchaeus. He wasn't simply a wealthy man that decided to distribute his money to the poor. He was a man that overcharged people tax and kept the difference. He was a Roman tax collecting subcontractor that abused his position for personal gain.

He decided to give back 4 times the amount that he stole from people. He did say he would give half of what he had to the poor.....and apparently 4 times the amount he had taken form people that could afford to pay taxes. Sounds like a win/win.

A problem here is that the Pope comes mighty close to suggesting a guilt trip to the haves and in light of Zacchaeus real nature, the Pope looks like he is suggesting some motivation other than a great heart in the spirit and good of philanthropy.....for their "giving". Sounds like he could even be suggesting higher taxes on the rich so that their cooperation with government redistribution efforts.....will be greater and serve the greater good.

The story about Zacchaeus is a story about a government bureaucrat. About a government that turned its head while the tax collectors skimmed the people. The government in question was already an oppressive jack boot machine and allowed their "public servants" this leverage. I mean the guy decided to return tax money! Not go back in and ask for more taxes for the poor!

Get a grip people! This is just more blah blah blah patronize the masses.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Here's an article that has quotes.

"Jesus does not ask Zacchaeus to change jobs nor does he condemn his financial activity; he simply inspires him to put everything, freely yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others. Consequently, I do not hesitate to state, as did my predecessors (cf. JOHN PAUL II,Sollicitudo Rei Socialis, 42-43; Centesimus Annus, 43; BENEDICT XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 6; 24-40), that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society."

It sounds to me like the pope has no idea what he's talking about. First he says to "freely" (voluntarily) put everything towards the service of others, then in almost the same breath advocates using the coercive power of the state to accomplish the same.

Well... which is it? He can't have it both ways. He's either totally ignorant of what he's saying or he's deliberately double-speaking (like any skilled politician) to gain favor with both sides of the issue.

Either way, taking a single word of it seriously seems ill-advised.

As an aside, the possibility that the pope is a complete tool does not discredit Christianity (generally) or validate Atheism... which is really what this thread is all about.