Members of the Red Cross seized, then freed in Donetsk

a reply to: intrptr

People that detain, beat and level false accusations against members of the Red Cross are not "pro-Russian separatists". They are the same ones that burn tires, people and shoot unarmed citizens. Their nest is in Kiev. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Wrong. Here is a more recent account. Since you are so convinced that the Kiyev government is run by Nazis, I will cite the most anti-Nazi source I can:

Pro-Russian militants held several Red Cross workers hostage for seven hours in the rebel eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk, severely beating one before freeing them in Saturday's early hours, a local Red Cross official said.

A spokesman for the self-styled "Donetsk People's Republic", which is holding a referendum on Sunday on breaking with Kiev, said the workers had been detained on Friday evening by rebel activists on suspicion of espionage.

He could not clarify the nature of the accusations levelled against them or say where they had been held.

www.haaretz.com...

Thanks to Pheonix, we now know that they were presumably trying to assist prisoners of war to escape.

a reply to: DJW001

Comparing Le Monde staff to an anchor? You won...

a reply to: DJW001

Thanks to Pheonix, we now know that they were presumably trying to assist prisoners of war to escape.

That was one of your more idiotic posts! You always try and find an angle that you see as smart. I see it as otherwise.

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a reply to: pheonix358

That was one of your more idiotic posts! You always try and find an angle that you see as smart. I see it as otherwise.

Did you just initiate: "I know you are but what am I?"

originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: DJW001

Comparing Le Monde staff to an anchor? You won...

Thank you.

a reply to: DJW001

The only link in my reply to your post was added automatically by the new BBS system. I'm not quite sure why you consider it an affront.

Wow, apologies, I didn't know that it was a BB code auto placed. I was offended at first because its a link back to another members post and I thought you put it there in my quote because you wanted to make it appear I posted the link.

You should look more closely at quotes in replies though to make sure before hitting reply.

I do.

a reply to: DJW001

Wrong. Here is a more recent account. Since you are so convinced that the Kiyev government is run by Nazis,

Thats not what I think. The "government" in Kiev is illegitimate. They are nothing more than criminal thugs hired to foment insurrection and they facilitated the coup in Kiev and the atrocity in Odessa. Some of those elements are ultra right national socialist (Nazi Like). Not Nazis like in Germany.

But I get that you want me to call them that so you can further your "anti Russian" dogma.

Which is easy because 80 % of Ukrainians speak Russian and every single weapon in that country is manufactured in Russia. I guess that makes the "Nazis" in Kiev really "Anti Russian" doesn't it?

a reply to: intrptr

Thats not what I think. The "government" in Kiev is illegitimate. They are nothing more than criminal thugs hired to foment insurrection and they facilitated the coup in Kiev and the atrocity in Odessa. Some of those elements are ultra right national socialist (Nazi Like). Not Nazis like in Germany.

The government in Kiyev is every bit as legitimate as any other revolutionary government. They overthrew a corrupt regime of criminal thugs being supported by a corrupt hegemonic power. There is good reason to believe that the worst of the atrocities were "false flag" events, designed to make the Ukrainian people look like bloodthirsty monsters. If you want to believe imperialistic Russian propaganda, that's fine, but I urge you to apply critical thinking first.

But I get that you want me to call them that so you can further your "anti Russian" dogma.

Call them whatever you want. The pro-Putin faction here can barely suppress their anti-Semitism, even as they call ultra-nationalists who oppose Russian ultra-nationalists "Nazis."

Which is easy because 80 % of Ukrainians speak Russian and every single weapon in that country is manufactured in Russia. I guess that makes the "Nazis" in Kiev really "Anti Russian" doesn't it?

Since 80% of the country speaks Russian, it makes Putin's concern for the "ethnic Russian minority" look dubious, doesn't it? Despite the screams of the state controlled Russian media, Ukrainians tried to help people trapped in that burning building. It reeks of a false flag.

a reply to: DJW001

The government in Kiyev is every bit as legitimate as any other revolutionary government.

The difference between a coup and revolutions is the number of people involved. A revolution is what occurred in Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu. That was a ground swell of most of the population that rose against the government. What occurred in Kiev was perped by a few thousand at best in a coup. I don't mean any protest against the unpopular government. I mean what happened in Kiev.

Ukrainians tried to help people trapped in that burning building. It reeks of a false flag.

Have you seen this?That was orchestrated by people who wanted Russia to intervene and give fodder to the west to intervene also. If it had been a false flag, "planned by Putin" why didn't he "go in" then?

There are no Russian tank columns heading for Kiev. Don't tell me there are either. That would be all over the MSM. Like Iraq. Thats what they want. For Russia to "go in". So far Putin continues to show reasonable restraint.

You tell me how many people rose up and set the building on fire in Odessa? You tell me who else in history herded people into buildings and burned them alive? Criminals do that, not "revolutionaries".

a reply to: intrptr

That was orchestrated by people who wanted Russia to intervene and give fodder to the west to intervene also. If it had been a false flag, "planned by Putin" why didn't he "go in" then?

Putin is afraid to "go in." He knows NATO would squash him like a bug. He ordered those people murdered just so his propagandists would have a shocking image they could use. Never forget, Putin was trained by the KGB.

a reply to: DJW001

Putin is afraid to "go in." He knows NATO would squash him like a bug.

Thats subjective. Russia wasnt defeated by Hitler or Napolean. Hitler had 2 million men at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa. Bioth armies were defeated by the Russian winter, with a little help from Moscow.

Never forget, Putin was trained by the KGB.

Never forget, Bush senior, Rumsfeld and Chaney were CIA. So what?

a reply to: intrptr

Thats subjective. Russia wasnt defeated by Hitler or Napolean. Hitler had 2 million men at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa. Bioth armies were defeated by the Russian winter, with a little help from Moscow.

Exactly. He would need to retreat and wait for winter if he wants to win. NATO would crush him like a bug in Ukraine.

a reply to: DJW001

NATO would crush him like a bug in Ukraine.

Squash them like insects, huh? Nuclear war would do that to everyone, I think.

We don't want that do we?

it's not like the red cross have never been know to have spy's in their ranks is it now.

Maybe thats why one got beat up and lets not forget they were released and not locked in a building and burnt alive but thats another story, another story not covered by the likes of CNN news.

a reply to: intrptr

Squash them like insects, huh? Nuclear war would do that to everyone, I think.

We don't want that do we?

Remember, Putin recently built mass bomb shelters in Moscow. He may be deluded enough to think he could win a nuclear confrontation.

a reply to: VirusGuard

Maybe thats why one got beat up and lets not forget they were released and not locked in a building and burnt alive but thats another story, another story not covered by the likes of CNN news.

Still flogging that false flag I see. Putin is determined to get his money's worth.

a reply to: DJW001

He may be deluded enough to think he could win a nuclear confrontation.

You keep saying he might do this and might do that. He isn't doing anything . We are. The West are the ones meddling in Russia's backyard, not the other way around.

I'm going to leave you now to your "Evil former Soviet Putin" thread.

regards,

intrptr