a reply to: BlueMule
Okay, I'm willing to take a look at this and think about it, but I do have some questions and comments:
1. In your subsequent replies, you keep harping on veganism instead of the wider "non-meat" diet choice. My question is why? So much of the vegan
diet is soy-based, a plant which takes a lot of resources and can cause problems for people. Why harp on veganism? Why have that in the title? I
suppose I'm willing to entertain a non-meat diet, per se, but it seems to me as though you have an ethical axe to grind.
2. What of grown men that do labor intensive jobs? They need a lot of calories and a lot of protein.
3000 calories a day as a matter of fact.
do you propose that they get those needs met without having to stop every half hour or so to eat? And even if they can get those needs met, are the
expectations reasonable? As in, could a person of moderate means actually afford all that food?
3. Why do I need to stop eating meat altogether? While I am aware that cows and pigs are supposedly huge producers of methane, what of fish or chicken
or things like deer? Deer is an interesting conversation, too, because white tailed deer where I'm from have to be hunted on a regular basis every
season for population control because many of their natural predators have been hunted basically to extinction by previous generations. Should we just
throw the meat out when we kill them? I am willing to credit the idea of doing away with red meat, both in terms of helping the environment and human
health, but all meat? This I am unsure of.
4. While nutrition may be possible for human beings, what about pets? I mean, cats and dogs are basically carnivores. Should we feed them plant-based
foods, too, or should we get rid of pets? If we should, what about cats that are kept as a natural rodent control device and dogs that are kept for
protection, aid for visually impaired people, or as companions for the elderly?
5. Were there any calculations about how much more land we would need to use to meet even the base caloric needs of 7 billion people if we went to an
all-planet diet? How much of the land used to feed cattle and such is even remotely suitable to growing crops for humans? Considering the kind of land
that cattle can thrive off of, I am skeptical at best. And remember, in this scenario, we also have to make up for the immediate discontinuation of
eating not only cattle, but of things like dairy, eggs, fish, and wild or lean game like deer and turkey as well.
6. What about diabetics? My mother is a diabetic, and she even has to watch out when she eats starches and fruits. Going straight vegan, or even
strict vegetarian, would be difficult for her. Not impossible, but extremely difficult, difficult to the point where the grocery store running out of
more than a few things could make getting proper nutrition pretty much impossible.
7. The numbers were run and come to about 20 percent, at least from what I'm seeing in the article. While this is impressive, I am left wondering if
it's actually going to make a significant difference. By significant, I mean, is it going to reverse the trend altogether? Is it going to delay the
dreaded melting of the polar caps by a margin of 50 to 100 yeas? Or is it only going to be more like 5 to 10 years of delay?
I am wondering why it has to be such an extreme action. To me, it seems as though simply reducing our intake of red meat would go a long way to
reducing this problem. Is there any compromise that could be accepted? Such as a reduction of red meat and dairy consumption, which is what is really
the main problem? I would even be willing to cut out red meat altogether as long as I still have things like deer jerky, eggs, and dairy every once in
I am proposing these middle roads because I am willing to sacrifice when it comes to things that I have actually seen and heard data on such as red
meat, but I am not willing to engage in such an extreme action as going straight vegan or vegetarian just because I see an article saying X, Y, and Z,
but I have no numbers and it doesn't exactly make sense that such extreme action is actually necessary.