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17. "(1) Protection of rights. -- The exclusion of certain provisions of Federal law
18. from the definition of the term 'civil forfeiture statute' in section 983(i) shall not be
19. construed to deny an owner of property the right to contest the confiscation of assets
20. of suspected international terrorists under --
21. "(A) subsection (a) of this section;
1. "(B) the Constitution; or
2. "(C) subchapter II of chapter 5 of title 5, United States Code
3. (commonly known as the 'Administrative Procedure Act').
4. "(2) Savings clause. -- Nothing in this section shall limit or otherwise affect
5. any other remedies that may be available to an owner of property under section 983
6. or any other provision of law.".
from the first link
Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tex) told the Washington Times that no member of Congress was allowed to read the first Patriot Act that was passed by the House on October 27, 2001.
Originally posted by marg6043
I don't get it, since when the congress has lost his power?
Is this something that is going to become an everyday thing with the present administration?
Originally posted by TheBandit795
If this is true.. It's similar to something Hitler did in the 1930's to bypass the German parliament.
In Germany, like in the radically diminished Austria, the citizens, or at least the educated classes, remembered the pre-war years under autocratic rule as prosperous – the post-war years under democratic rule, however, as chaotic and economically disastrous. The popular support for democracy was limited, and often perceived as "foreign" or "alien" to the German nation. Social tensions after the world wide economic depression following the Wall Street Crash aggravated the political situation. Anti-democratic parties in the Reichstag (parliament), both left-wing and right-wing, obstructed the parliamentary work, why different cabinets resorted to governing by the special emergency powers of the Weimar constitution, which enabled the President and the Cabinet, in concert, to effectively bypass the parliament.
Originally posted by daeldren
But if PATRIOT act 2 is passed then there will be a lot of angry citizens, and it would be a call for us to become more involved in politics to make sure this never happened again.
Originally posted by worldwatcher
How will they find and prosecute millions of americans?
Originally posted by esdad71
However, Hitler wanted to rule the world, we are just beginning the Fifth Crusade in my eyes to liberate and destory Muslim rule in the middle east. Maybe it is for our own protection.
However, this is also something that is bieng created so that All departments from the CIA to the smallest police force have the ability to move instead of waiting and to share information on subjects of interest. These laws were passed to give our protectors more power to protect us.
Now, am I a little worried about my neighbor saying i have Middle eastern looking folk by my house nad I should be investigated. Well, I guess in order to prevent another 9/11 style attack, this is what must be done.
Do I agree, no, but there is no other alternative.
NOw, I am sure that organized crime and drug dealers alike are very worried about the phone taps and the extended reach that they will have when they have probable casue.
I ask, what is the price we should pay to go to fast food resturants, not wait in food lines, and drive SUV's and have our children safe in school.