US voices 'concerns' at sale of French warships to Russia

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
a reply to: Silicis n Volvo

Bigot, or nationalist? Be careful how you answer.

Obviously you are no better than I, considering your reply is just as offensive as mine.

I show no compassion or love for those conspiring with my enemies/rivals. (In this case, Russia is a dangerous rival)

"show no compassion or love "

And that is why u will lose.
"That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;"
And very,,very good at it i might and,,

and then we learned,,"But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil."

So hopefully,, u lose.
And we win.

originally posted by: stargatetravels

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
Looks like France has chosen it's side. Let Russia have 'em, they stink , talk funny and drive in circles.

We won't be there to take back their country for them this time when their own troops refuse to fight. Cowardly nations do cowardly things, like selling weapons and ships to a potential enemy.

Hey did you vote in a poll recently? Have you heard about some missing plane?

I'm not following you. Yes I voted in a few polls. I know about the missing MA flight. If I offended you, like I said, I'm sorry and willing to totally back up on that. Cause I'm a big boy. XD

a reply to: BobAthome

I'm not even going to bother trying to decipher that cryptic message. But I'm sorry that I offended you.

If you're quoting scripture, that means as much to me as any other religion's holy texts.

BTW, who is the 'We' you're referring to?

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
Looks like France has chosen it's side. Let Russia have 'em, they stink , talk funny and drive in circles.

We won't be there to take back their country for them this time when their own troops refuse to fight. Cowardly nations do cowardly things, like selling weapons and ships to a potential enemy.

Yet the only reason the USA exists today cause of French help.........

Id be gratefull to them!

actually ol ben frankiln played the french, used their anger towards the british and need for revenge over the seven years war to to get them to support the U.S.. and in the end the french gained very little and was one if not the main reason for the french revolution. because of the debt incurred from their support.

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
a reply to: BobAthome

I'm not even going to bother trying to decipher that cryptic message. But I'm sorry that I offended you.

If you're quoting scripture, that means as much to me as any other religion's holy texts.

BTW, who is the "Us" you're referring to?

why that would be
1. Me
2. Myself
3. I

of course make me,,"Us"
in your opinion,,of course.

originally posted by: BobAthome

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
a reply to: BobAthome

I'm not even going to bother trying to decipher that cryptic message. But I'm sorry that I offended you.

If you're quoting scripture, that means as much to me as any other religion's holy texts.

BTW, who is the "Us" you're referring to?

why that would be
1. Me
2. Myself
3. I

of course make me,,"Us"
in your opinion,,of course.

Look, I'll be straight up with you, because you seem rational, and I like your avatar.
It's a very dangerous world, think just how fragile this democracy is, how corrupt it's become. Every day, America struggles to keep the Land of the free just that, free. If America falls, hit the deck, mate. It's game over and the deck will painfully begin to reshuffle itself, and millions, if not billions will die, because big brother isn't around to protect his siblings.

a reply to: JohnTheSmith

ok straight up, man too man
"America struggles to keep the Land of the free just that, free. If America falls"

it's not the land that should be capatalized, like in America,,,but Free ,,it's land of the Free.

its the Free part that's Important.

originally posted by: BobAthome
a reply to: JohnTheSmith

ok straight up, man too man
"America struggles to keep the Land of the free just that, free. If America falls"

it's not the land that should be capatalized, like in America,,,but Free ,,it's land of the Free.

its the Free part that's Important.

Really???? Seriously?? That's all you're going to say, is a capitalization correction? Well, here's one for you, it's man to man, not man too man. Does this mean we're both wrong? What's the point of correcting something so trivial when you already understand the point being made?

why don't people get that russia is our real enemy and has been since 1912 after the czar fell to socialists, we see them as a threat above all others and always have as long as they lean towards socialism and attempt to destroy our economic system and through that our way of life.
we are not telling france they can't sell weapons to russia just that it would be a bad idea if they did, that we might stop trusting them as much in the future with our military secrets and become more reluctant to help them in any major way.

those of you saying we owe france our independence? yeah? even though they nearly dragged us into war a second time with the british and possibly ruining all our efforts right after we just gained our independence. all because they couldn't help but take advantage of us even after we declared neutrality by recruiting americans for their wars, using our land to train their soldiers and using ports in our territory to attack british ships all without our permission.
hell when the brits acted to prevent war with us without using force you know what france did when it worked and we stopped letting them push us around? they attacked our ships and cut off all ties with us for years and when we tried to resolve the situation diplomatically they demanded a large sum of money from us to even let us talk to them.

france is the nation that started us on the path of empire and militarism with those actions between 1796 and 1800, if it wasn't for france betraying us, then america would have stayed on the proper path and we would have had a very different future.

a reply to: namehere

after the czar fell to socialists?????????

wow did u completely miss the FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL.,, it was in the news.

gee get recent at least.

well would have liked,, "Land of the Free",, but ok ya whatever.
a reply to: JohnTheSmith

quote
"france is the nation that started us on the path of empire and militarism"
unquote

Actually Britian passed that Right to Accension, or Duty one might say,,to America,,by the Crown,
after WW2.





















a reply to: namehere

a reply to: BobAthome

yeah it was but so what? the face might be different but empires have many faces, beyond becoming a federation not much was changed when you compare the soviet "collapse" to other past fallen empires. it was no different than when rome fell and a second rome took its' place to the east for another 1000 years,

the cold war never ended it just cooled down for a bit until russia recovered from the economic upheval it faced for over a decade. all our wars since 1988 were to prepare for their return and to delay them as long as possible.

it's merely heating back up now and as of yet is still not as warm as the past was, but it's coming back in full force soon enough. we just don't want our allies giving them too much of a boost in capability.

a reply to: BobAthome

maybe so but our anger towards france removed the inhibition towards aggression and expansionism we previously had and made us see neutrality as a non-solution. britain may have enabled us but france gave us the will and reason to do it.

but lets get back on topic, i deviated too far with all this stuff and don't want to mess it up for the rest, i apologize for going off topic so far.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
I think my only boggle here is....isn't the EU a little upset with Russia over Ukraine right at the moment?

Isn't France a member of that same EU?

Shouldn't EU members refrain from selling warships to the nation the rest of the EU is down on and actively talking about further actions against?

Kinda seems...counter-productive, isn't it?

If that wasn't all going on..heck.. France can sell boats to Tonga if it makes 'em happy. To each their own rights of export.

I think the Issue is money has been paid for and the contract signed years ago.

If it had been a newly minted deal im sure france would tell Russia to stick it.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: JohnTheSmith
Looks like France has chosen it's side. Let Russia have 'em, they stink , talk funny and drive in circles.

We won't be there to take back their country for them this time when their own troops refuse to fight. Cowardly nations do cowardly things, like selling weapons and ships to a potential enemy.

Yet the only reason the USA exists today cause of French help.........

Id be gratefull to them!

actually ol ben frankiln played the french, used their anger towards the british and need for revenge over the seven years war to to get them to support the U.S.. and in the end the french gained very little and was one if not the main reason for the french revolution. because of the debt incurred from their support.

The french still bailed you out what ever way you put.

They still supplied vital weapons and cloths and still turned the tables of the war be it cause they did it out of revenge , the goodness of there heart or for money, the result was the same, French help forged the USA.

What happened after to france? Irrelevent, French support is why you are the united stateds of America and not the united kingdom of America and your tyrant in cheif is president obama and not prime minister obama.

originally posted by: crazyewok
I think the Issue is money has been paid for and the contract signed years ago.

If it had been a newly minted deal im sure france would tell Russia to stick it.

If you see my post earlier (seems a lot of the posting in this topic is the usual "French are cowards" "No they're not" nonsense) the French have said they will cancel the deal if the 3rd tranche of sanctions is put into effect.

Something that we also have to take into consideration here is the fact that Russia is still Europes N°1 gas supplier (even though Norway "on paper" are officially the first.)

(Reuters) - The European Union aims to diversify away from Russian natural gas supplies, yet Reuters research indicates the EU's biggest provider a decade from now could easily still be Russia.

Billions are to be spent on piping gas from Azerbaijan while new finds in Africa and eastern Mediterranean also promise new supply for the EU, which currently buys mostly from Russia and Norway.

Europe also gets liquefied natural gas (LNG), mostly from Qatar, and the U.S. shale boom could free up LNG exports from there in coming years, too.

But growth in Europe's demand for gas will eat up much of the new potential supply, and the Russians show little willingness to fade away as they gear up to defend their position through massive projects, such as the $35 billion South Stream pipeline to Italy.

"Russia will continue to remain Europe's primary energy supplier, including natural gas supplies, for many years and possibly decades," a U.S. congressional research paper on Europe's energy security said in March.

Reuters' own research indicates that in 2023 Russia will likely remain the dominant supplier, as it boosts exports while EU and Norwegian output declines.

More here : uk.reuters.com...

However... what really narks me is this :

European Union leaders want a road map by mid-year for reducing reliance on Russian natural gas as they seek to punish Russia for its annexation of Crimea, according to a draft EU document.

The EU’s 28 chiefs plan to ask the European Commission, the bloc’s executive arm, to outline within three months ways to diversify energy sources away from Russia, which is the main supplier of gas and oil to Europe. The crisis in Ukraine, a transit country for Russian energy consumed by the EU, is set to dominate a two-day meeting of prime ministers and presidents in the European Council.

More here : www.bloomberg.com...

Darned European deputies...

As for the French being cowards... posted by several members here... It is easy to find the negative side of things if you are convinced...

About the French laying down arms for 3 years :

Taking into consideration the large "Boots on the ground" force that Germany had in comparison to the French and the preparations that Germany had put into place in order to "invade" France and Europe it is pretty normal that the French "HAD" to surrender :

Hitler unleashes his blitzkrieg invasion of the Low Countries and France with a fury on May 10, 1940. Within three weeks, a large part of the British force, accompanied by some of the French defenders, is pushed to the English Channel and compelled to abandon the continent at Dunkirk.

The Fall of France, 1940

The German advance continues to sweep southward driving before it not only the retreating French army, but an estimated 10 million refugees fleeing for their lives. The French abandon Paris, declaring it an open city. This allows the Germans to enter the French capital on June 14 without resistance.

Take the time to read this : www.eyewitnesstohistory.com...

For those slamming the French (especially with the Ukranian crisis at the moment)... I personally think that the French are being fairly level headed about the whole situation concerning the ship sales compared to the United States who are quick to condamn them and who have not really that much to lose when it comes to gas distribution).

Although our cousins and brothers in arms in the United States also lost many brave soldiers over WWII DO NOT FORGET that Russia also contributed GREATLY in order to rid Europe of the Nazi regime...

Yea yea... going to be some people who say that they allied with the Germans here and not look into the details... but never mind huh?

While proud of their own nation's contributions to the victory over Nazi Germany, many Americans are unaware of the incredible sacrifices of their allies

Every nation has its own vision of World War II. And obviously every nation focuses its remembrance on its own contribution. For Americans, the recollection centers on Pearl Harbor, the beaches of Normandy, D-Day and raising the flag at Iwo Jima.

In the United States, the war began with an attack on Pearl Harbor, but on that day in December 1941, in the snowy outskirts of Moscow. The tenacity of the Russian people and their role in stopping the march of Adolf Hitler's army is generally not well known in the West.

More here : www.telegraph.co.uk...

And yes... to certain posters... I will always wish you kindest respects.

For those of you who want to blast out this thread with your negative thoughts from whatever side you may be on (Russia/USA ...) I am neither pro Russian or Pro USA...

Just Pro-tolerant towards other cultures and open minded.

It is time to get rid of all the negativity that our ancestors forced into our minds and look towards a future where we can all get along together without having some "BULLY" or (ies) dictating what we all have to do... We are 7 billion people on our tiny planet and it is not up to a tiny handfull of arseholes to dictate what we have to do :

www.census.gov...

Rodinus

Europe needs to be careful. Once Russia completes the pipeline into China, China could well suck up all the gas that Russia could possibly deliver. China is hungry for energy, very hungry and once Russia has a stable source of funds, well, they may be in a position to just turn off the gas supplies to EU, probably in the depths of winter.

These games played by the US will affect others enormously. Over reliance on a country that is 'maybe an enemy' is a recipe for disaster.

Russia has been trying to normalize relation with Europe for a long time but the US continues to want to surround them with military bases and missile shields to create a new enemy that then requires huge military expenditure and huge profits for the industrial complex.

This is a sad state of affairs.

P

originally posted by: pheonix358
Europe needs to be careful. Once Russia completes the pipeline into China, China could well suck up all the gas that Russia could possibly deliver. China is hungry for energy, very hungry and once Russia has a stable source of funds, well, they may be in a position to just turn off the gas supplies to EU, probably in the depths of winter.

These games played by the US will affect others enormously. Over reliance on a country that is 'maybe an enemy' is a recipe for disaster.

Russia has been trying to normalize relation with Europe for a long time but the US continues to want to surround them with military bases and missile shields to create a new enemy that then requires huge military expenditure and huge profits for the industrial complex.

This is a sad state of affairs.

P

To be quite honest with you Phenoix my dear... I fear that Europe (at least the technocrats and politicians) have been completely "buggered" and blackmailed... and I am being polite in using this word... by other countries who only have their interests at stake.

Oh those damned European cowards and the Russian pinko commies...

Remember the Red Scare?... Looks like we are heading there yet again... (but maybe in another politico/geo dimension)...

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism."[1] The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression against communists, as well as a fear campaign spreading paranoia of their influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

More here : en.wikipedia.org...

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. It also means "the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism.

The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from 1950 to 1956 and characterized by heightened political repression against communists, as well as a fear campaign spreading paranoia of their influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.

Ps. I am not a communist pinko (a phrase that some close minded people used to be (and even now) so happy to use...) so please refrain... certain posters from trying to use the above posting and link as a slander against my personal thoughts.

Just using the above info as a "sort of example"... But I DO actually believe that the GHOST of McCarthyism still lives on sadly...

Kindest respects

Rodinus