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H.A.A.R.P. Is Being Tested.

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posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:23 AM
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There are many different uses for H.A.A.R.P., well the places I've looked like to give a different reason for its usefulness.

-submarine communications
-mind-control
-a "sheild"
-geophysical and environmental warfare

Crazy weather we are having this year...

The US is known for testing new weapons on the unsuspecting public, (not the only country to do so), if HAARP can control weather, the ionsphere and other geophysical elements, where would you test it without letting your advisaries know about it?

The hurricanes this year struck me as odd, I heard that the usually seasons consists of about 2-4 hurricanes, but this year there was nearly / or was 6? It may have just been me, but i recall watching CNN, and a hurricane went towards florida, then back out to see then straight on full to florida, now this may be natural? or is it being controlled? ( and no, it wasn't just a weather channel loop
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Did anyone else notice that almost right after the hurricanes stopped Mnt. St. Helens started acting up? Is it possible to control seismic activity as well as the weather?

What's next? .....18 feet of snow in Texas?
I know these are natural occurances (except the texas thing) but isn't everything speculation?

H.A.A.R.P.
www.crystalinks.com...
Hurricanes - 2004
news.nationalgeographic.com...
Mt. St. Helens
www.msnbc.msn.com...




posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 05:35 AM
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I watched a show on the discovery science channel a few days ago called Controlling the Weather. A portion of the show was about the HAARP array. Its a pretty innocous looking site. Just about 60 antenna's all positioned on a grid layout. The man who own the patten for the HAARP array was interviewed in the show, and he was saying that the array is intended for weather manipulation. He even went on to describe how it would work. It focuses a beam at a point in the ionisphere just above our atmosphere. This beam causes the ionisphere to heat up, causing a pressure buildup. With this pressure build up, the jetstream is manipulated. The gentelmen went on to say that the manipulation of our weather by HAARP is not a perfect weathercontrol device, but rather more like a guiding hand for weather systems.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 02:16 PM
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I watched the same program awhile back, it raises / lowers a certain portion of the ionisphere, it causes the weather to act how they would like.

But it always said that they don't actually know what will fully happen when this installation is fired up. or maybe its already up and running. who knows.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 02:24 PM
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We must have watched different programs. In the one I saw, they narrator talked about test being run at the facility. It is admitted as a test facility, and powers up to do so. HAARP is being ran, as to the effects, one can only guess
We just dont have any direct proof that links the HAARP array to manipulation as it is happenning. A good Idea would be to see when HAARP is activated and cross reference it with any weather activity. Therin is the problem. How do you find out when the array is being powered up?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 02:57 PM
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Did your program explain how heating up a portion of the ionosphere 100 miles above the surface could influence the jet streams which are typically found below 12 miles in altitude?

Do any of you have even the slightest inkling of just how much energy it would take to “control” a simple weather system, let alone a complex mass like a hurricane?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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Well, obviously they weren't controlling the hurricanes that hit florida this year, if they were, they wouldn't have hit, would they? But, well, according to some, they might have actually triggered a reaction that caused their strange natures...... Like going through, then back out into the atlantic, and then circling around for another run...
According to Rush, Carter seems to believe Bush has a weather machine....that's good enough for me!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Did your program explain how heating up a portion of the ionosphere 100 miles above the surface could influence the jet streams which are typically found below 12 miles in altitude?

Do any of you have even the slightest inkling of just how much energy it would take to “control” a simple weather system, let alone a complex mass like a hurricane?


HAARP is capable of controling weather with the aid of supercomputers to pinpoint when to create a pressure ridge or dome. Testing began in 1995. There are several more HAARP's around the world. A super HAARP is being built in Sweden (or near by country).



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
herin is the problem. How do you find out when the array is being powered up?


HAARP broadcasts in a frequency range of about 3 to 10MHz (specifically 3.39MHz, I think). So, if I'm not mistaken, you can look at these waterfall charts in the 3-4MHz range and look for times when the signal is the highest. I'm not sure if you can tell using those charts or not, but here is an example from when HAARP is claimed active:



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:41 PM
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Has anyone actually looked at the HAARP website? HAARP stands for "High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program." What it does is use electromagnetic radiation to ionize gasses in the upper atmosphere. When this happens the aurora is caused. Sounds sort of like what happens from the Sun, eh? That's because it is!

Also, there are other HAARP arrays throughout the world. Why is it just this one in Alaska that controls the weather? Others have been around for MUCH longer. Arecibo, for instance, in Puerto Rico. The dish's original design was for HAARP. It was built in what, the 60s?

Another thing, I'll be (more than likely) going there this August under and internship for a couple weeks. I plan on debunking all this weather manipulation bollox during my stay.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by DrHoracid

Originally posted by HowardRoark
Did your program explain how heating up a portion of the ionosphere 100 miles above the surface could influence the jet streams which are typically found below 12 miles in altitude?

Do any of you have even the slightest inkling of just how much energy it would take to “control” a simple weather system, let alone a complex mass like a hurricane?


HAARP is capable of controling weather with the aid of supercomputers to pinpoint when to create a pressure ridge or dome. Testing began in 1995. There are several more HAARP's around the world. A super HAARP is being built in Sweden (or near by country).



You did not answer my question. How can a change in the ionosphere affect the air movment in the troposphere?

I want details.

Just saying that they can do it is not proof of anything.




posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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The Inventor of HAARP is Bernard Eastlund of Eastlund Scientific, they are a private engineering company available to consult on many cutting edge technologies, including some based on the theories of Nicolia Tesla, and also weather control systems. Theoretically a private individual or organisation could build their own Haarp array, imagine if Insurance companies could control the weather, directing it away from policy holders and ignoring the uninsured.

see the Eastland Scientific at www.eastlundscience.com...

See the Article at Space.com which started the whole controversy www.space.com...



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:17 PM
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Using a sattelite to beam microwaves at a tornado is not HAARP.

I am still looking for a reasonable explanation on how HAARP can can effect Earth weather.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by dawnstar
Well, obviously they weren't controlling the hurricanes that hit florida this year, if they were, they wouldn't have hit, would they? But, well, according to some, they might have actually triggered a reaction that caused their strange natures


According to HAARP's official website (haarp.alaska.edu), the HF transmitter was last used November 8, 2003. If that's true, it couldn't have created hurricanes in 2004.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:58 PM
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Did you even look at the developments from Eastlund Scientific ?

From the ESEC Website:

WEATHER MODIFICATION WITH HIGH POWER ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION

ESEC has recently completed a contract with the European Space Agency to review the weather modification potential of the HAARP facility in Alaska and to perform numerical simulations of tornado suppression with high power electromagnetic radiation produced with Solar Power Satellites.

Two research papers are available from ESEC for download.

www.eastlundscience.com...

Please download and consider before replying...



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 05:21 PM
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I saw the show also, I think this is one unique form of warfare that the military shouldn't touch.

Of course there going to say that they cant control storms, but how would we know if they allready have, Trying to control the weather is one international treaty that the US should keep.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 05:48 PM
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They don't say they can't control storms...the HAARP site is notably silent on the subject though they provide plenty of technical data...

Weather control systems are real, if your've got the money you can conceivably buy one (given your government lets you use it). The likely hood is that there is no law specifically prohibiting boiling a section of the ionosphere, so it's probably going to happen, if it's not been done already.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
Did your program explain how heating up a portion of the ionosphere 100 miles above the surface could influence the jet streams which are typically found below 12 miles in altitude?

Do any of you have even the slightest inkling of just how much energy it would take to “control” a simple weather system, let alone a complex mass like a hurricane?


Do the research dude. HAARP even has their own website!!!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:50 PM
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Not going to get into the indepth discussion due to a general lack of knowledge regarding HAARP. However, I do know of a site that claims to track HAARP's activities and also believes that it has the capabilities to defend the United States from ICBM attack via an increase in heat focused directly on an incoming warhead to destroy the weapon in the ionosphere, thus preventing serious harm to those below ( Not going to get into the specifics, but seems a bit far fetched to me). Anyways, here's the site URL, enjoy: www.brojon.org...


E_T

posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:06 AM
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Originally posted by Flange Gasket
See the Article at Space.com which started the whole controversy www.space.com...
Problem is just that we don't even know exactly what/when tornado is caused.
Also tornadoes itself don't show well in weather radar images.

Shooting supercell with few kilowatts of microwave energy is like shooting incoming train with BB-gun.

And satellites are very power limited...
SU had radar satellites for watching oceans to track movements of US carriers... and those satellites required real nuclear reactor as power source!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 04:25 AM
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The patents for HAARP are rather creepy in and of themselves, and information about them is available at Crystalinks and other places. This part from the Crystalinks page is particularly chilling:


Related research by Begich and Manning uncovered bizarre schemes. For example, US Air Force documents revealed that a system had been developed for manipulating and disrupting human mental processes through pulsed radio-frequency radiation (the stuff of HAARP) over large geographical areas. The most telling material about this technology came from writings of Zbigniew Brzezinski (former National Security Adviser to US President Carter) and J. F. MacDonald (science adviser to US President Johnson and a Professor of Geophysics at UCLA), as they wrote about use of power-beaming transmitters for geophysical and environmental warfare.

The documents showed how these effects might be caused, and the negative effects on human health and thinking. The mental-disruption possibilities for HAARP are the most disturbing. More than 40 pages of the book, with dozens of footnotes, chronicle the work of Harvard professors, military planners and scientists as they plan and test this use of the electromagnetic technology. For example, one of the papers describing this use was from the International Red Cross in Geneva. It even gave the frequency ranges where these effects could occur-the same ranges which HAARP is capable of broadcasting.

The following statement was made more than 25 years ago in a book which Brzezinski wrote while a professor at Columbia University:

"Political strategists are tempted to exploit research on the brain and human behaviour. Geophysicist Gordon J. F. MacDonald-specialist in problems of warfare-says accurately-timed, artificially-excited electronic strokes 'could lead to a pattern of oscillations that produce relatively high power levels over certain regions of the Earth... In this way, one could develop a system that would seriously impair the brain performance of very large populations in selected regions over an extended period...' No matter how deeply disturbing the thought of using the environment to manipulate behaviour for national advantages, to some the technology permitting such use will very probably develop within the next few decades."




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