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Koch Brothers Exposed!

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posted on May, 8 2014 @ 10:08 PM
Have to laugh at this Koch Bros. Conspiracy at #59 on the list for $18 million dollars on the top political donors.

The top 25 on the list is littered with Lefty outfits & unions - what does ActBlue get for $102 million dollars?

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

1 ActBlue $102,652,175 99% 0%
2 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $61,819,629 80% 1%
3 National Education Assn $58,970,590 56% 4%
4 AT&T Inc $57,024,350 41% 57%
5 National Assn of Realtors $55,558,528 41% 44%
6 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $45,572,151 91% 2%
7 Goldman Sachs $45,254,315 53% 44%
8 United Auto Workers $41,920,628 71% 0%
9 Carpenters & Joiners Union $41,577,299 71% 9%
10 Service Employees International Union $38,699,798 84% 2%
11 Laborers Union $38,401,420 83% 7%
12 American Federation of Teachers $37,271,575 89% 0%
13 Communications Workers of America $36,472,773 86% 0%
14 Teamsters Union $36,355,957 88% 5%
15 JPMorgan Chase & Co $35,116,206 47% 51%
16 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $34,173,003 86% 0%
17 United Parcel Service $32,685,942 35% 64%
18 Citigroup Inc $32,493,212 48% 50%
19 National Auto Dealers Assn $32,267,410 31% 68%
20 EMILY's List $31,891,545 98% 0%
21 American Bankers Assn $31,629,002 36% 63%
22 AFL-CIO $31,594,825 60% 3%
23 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,399,047 98% 1%
24 American Medical Assn $30,175,387 40% 59%
25 Microsoft Corp $29,710,808 55% 43%
26 Blue Cross/Blue Shield $29,589,474 36% 63%
27 National Beer Wholesalers Assn $29,457,760 35% 64%
28 General Electric $28,598,723 47% 52%
29 National Assn of Home Builders $27,888,130 34% 65%
30 Lockheed Martin $27,662,177 42% 57%
31 Bank of America $27,254,075 41% 57%
32 National Assn of Letter Carriers $26,362,109 84% 9%
33 Morgan Stanley $26,351,875 42% 56%
34 Verizon Communications $26,022,007 40% 58%
35 Deloitte LLP $25,456,997 36% 63%
36 Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $24,682,898 83% 4%
37 Credit Union National Assn $24,555,655 47% 51%
38 Newsweb Corp $24,536,871 40% 0%
39 Operating Engineers Union $23,705,723 82% 14%
40 Ernst & Young $23,595,151 42% 57%
41 International Assn of Fire Fighters $23,304,560 79% 16%
42 American Hospital Assn $23,203,351 52% 46%
43 Time Warner $23,061,927 73% 25%
44 PricewaterhouseCoopers $22,776,097 35% 64%
45 Sheet Metal Workers Union $22,676,778 95% 2%
46 Boeing Co $22,110,093 46% 52%
47 American Dental Assn $22,102,908 43% 54%
48 UBS AG $21,762,486 40% 58%
49 Altria Group $21,548,432 29% 69%
50 Comcast Corp $21,014,434 56% 43%
51 Northrop Grumman $20,338,651 42% 57%
52 Honeywell International $20,214,400 44% 54%
53 AFLAC Inc $20,151,059 43% 56%
54 Pfizer Inc $20,125,069 35% 64%
55 Air Line Pilots Assn $19,923,047 82% 17%
56 National Rifle Assn $19,892,153 17% 82%
57 Union Pacific Corp $19,831,018 27% 72%
58 Natl Assn/Insurance & Financial Advisors $19,592,624 41% 58%
59 Koch Industries $18,445,223 8% 91%
60 American Assn for Justice $18,337,608 80% 3%
61 American Postal Workers Union $18,033,408 86% 2%
62 Club for Growth $17,767,232 0% 95%
63 Raytheon Co $17,628,034 43% 55%
64 Ironworkers Union $17,627,340 92% 6%
65 United Steelworkers $17,451,080 94% 0%
66 Credit Suisse Group $17,406,840 41% 57%
67 United Transportation Union $17,320,750 87% 11%
68 New York Life Insurance $17,272,057 49% 50%
69 National Rural Electric Cooperative Assn $16,926,890 47% 52%
70 FedEx Corp $16,904,127 39% 59%
71 General Dynamics $16,851,877 46% 53%
72 Akin, Gump et al $16,691,500 61% 37%
73 American Institute of CPAs $16,221,545 41% 58%
74 National Air Traffic Controllers Assn $16,216,800 77% 20%
75 Chevron $15,927,730 19% 64%
76 Anheuser-Busch $15,759,563 48% 51%
77 National Cable & Telecommunications Assn $15,758,510 47% 52%
78 Reynolds American $15,617,048 22% 77%
79 Exxon Mobil $15,301,677 13% 85%
80 Wal-Mart Stores $15,233,582 32% 67%
81 KPMG LLP $15,200,703 34% 65%
82 DLA Piper $15,054,028 68% 31%
83 Merrill Lynch $14,867,217 37% 62%
84 GlaxoSmithKline $14,692,693 30% 69%
85 CSX Corp $14,613,830 34% 65%
86 News Corp $14,252,563 58% 41%
87 Walt Disney Co $14,252,307 68% 30%
88 Wells Fargo $14,022,376 36% 62%
89 American Financial Group $14,006,735 15% 73%
90 Indep Insurance Agents & Brokers/America $13,961,400 34% 64%
91 American Health Care Assn $13,900,578 51% 48%
92 Massachusetts Mutual Life Insurance $13,864,504 39% 60%
93 American Crystal Sugar $13,764,709 61% 38%
94 Associated Builders & Contractors $13,710,832 1% 98%
95 University of California $13,710,586 89% 9%
96 Prudential Financial $13,528,613 48% 50%
97 American Society of Anesthesiologists $13,497,537 41% 58%
98 WPP Group $13,422,734 53% 45%
99 Southern Co $13,306,489 28% 70%
100 National Restaurant Assn $12,784,931 16% 82%
101 Securities Industry & Financial Mkt Assn $12,598,098 40% 59%
102 Human Rights Campaign $12,348,409 89% 8%
103 American Optometric Assn $12,240,683 57% 42%
104 MetLife Inc $12,231,761 51% 47%
105 Home Depot $12,178,415 25% 74%
106 American Academy of Ophthalmology $12,021,708 50% 49%
107 United Technologies $11,902,694 46% 52%
108 Natl Active & Retired Fed Employees Assn $11,833,700 78% 21%
109 Eli Lilly & Co $11,770,205 31% 67%
110 Saban Capital Group $11,733,772 89% 0%
111 General Motors $11,499,062 39% 60%
112 National Assn of Broadcasters $11,418,839 44% 55%
113 Associated General Contractors $11,334,397 14% 85%
114 Painters & Allied Trades Union $11,327,480 85% 12%
115 American Maritime Officers $11,161,331 46% 53%
116 Ford Motor Co $10,947,547 39% 60%
117 UST Inc $10,930,093 22% 77%
118 Exelon Corp $10,825,745 42% 56%
119 Skadden, Arps et al $10,806,174 77% 22%
120 Independent Community Bankers of America $10,709,335 42% 57%
121 Seafarers International Union $10,566,343 83% 16%
122 AIG $10,553,330 49% 50%
123 Amway/Alticor Inc $10,529,985 0% 96%
124 National Cmte to Preserve Social Security & Medicare $10,428,606 82% 17%
125 Freddie Mac $10,297,509 43% 56%
126 MBNA Corp $10,280,913 16% 83%
127 Patton Boggs LLP $10,229,456 72% 27%
128 American Airlines $10,197,956 43% 56%
129 Blackstone Group $10,044,653 45% 51%
130 American Trucking Assns $10,041,068 27% 72%
131 American Physical Therapy Assn $9,991,483 49% 50%
132 BellSouth Corp $9,804,479 43% 56%
133 National Fedn of Independent Business $9,725,484 6% 93%
134 Lehman Brothers $9,711,614 52% 46%
135 Greenberg Traurig LLP $9,622,536 62% 37%
136 Amalgamated Transit Union $9,607,718 93% 6%
137 Harvard University $9,577,540 87% 12%
138 American Council of Life Insurers $9,567,128 38% 61%
139 Transport Workers Union $9,560,399 95% 4%
140 MGM Resorts International $9,553,542 44% 50%
141 Archer Daniels Midland $9,451,567 42% 57%
142 Aircraft Owners & Pilots Assn $9,342,513 43% 56%
143 Fannie Mae $9,141,727 53% 46%
144 National Rural Letter Carriers Assn $9,032,100 71% 28%
145 Wachovia Corp $8,572,244 30% 69%
146 National Cmte for an Effective Congress $8,447,690 99% 0%
147 Interpublic Group $8,336,012 65% 33%
148 Marine Engineers Beneficial Assn $8,190,179 73% 25%
149 Bristol-Myers Squibb $7,971,249 23% 76%
150 MCI Inc $7,659,436 45% 54%
151 Bear Stearns $7,287,973 55% 43%
152 BP $6,950,903 30% 69%
153 Enron Corp $6,546,528 28% 71%
154 Andersen $6,267,620 37% 62%
155 Vivendi $6,073,117 60% 33%
156 Burlington No

posted on May, 8 2014 @ 10:33 PM
Oh NO! It's the bogeymen!!!
Watch as I use the evil mean old Koch bros as a distraction while many more billionaires and special interest groups use money to influence opinion and legislation!!!!!

We tire of this propaganda........

posted on May, 8 2014 @ 10:46 PM

originally posted by: speculativeoptimist
I feel Koch bros support industries and divisiveness over well being of people.

That was the same impression I was left with as well...

How to deceive a nation: distract, deceive, and divide...

In short, the Koch brothers are sociopaths who, having inherited vast wealth from daddy, have never had to toil in uncertainty, have never had to look in a mirror. Their general political scheme is to turn citizens against citizens, white against blacks, Christians against non Christians, heterosexuals against gays, class against class, etc-- to control them.

Who exactly are the koch brothers?

According to researcher Yasha Levine, part of this growth was fueled by corruption: "William Koch, the third brother who had a falling-out with Charles and David back in the '80s over Charles' sociopathic management style, appeared on "60 Minutes" in November 2000 to tell the world that Koch Industries was a criminal enterprise: "It was - was my family company. I was out of it," he says. "But that's what appalled me so much... I did not want my family, my legacy, my father's legacy to be based upon organized crime."

"Charles Koch's racket was very simple," explained William. "With its extensive oil pipe network, Koch Industries' role as an oil middleman--it buys crude from someone's well and sells it to a refinery--makes it easy to steal millions of dollars worth of oil by skimming just a little off the top of each transaction, or what they call "cheating measurements" in the oil trade. According to William, wells located on federal and Native American lands were the prime targets of the Koch scam."

It is estimated they stole $230 million.

Illuminati Endgame

posted on May, 8 2014 @ 11:08 PM
yeah i cant stand cowards like this

check this out link

my billionaire is better than yours.

in other news,

obama is fundraising at the home of billionaire founder of Quallcomm, irwin jacobs.
it just so happens every truck in America is required to have what is known in the trucking industry as a qualcomm, installed before may 31st. these "qualcomms" track everything from hours worked, driving time, sleeping time, speed, fuel mileage, rpms, and location.
and they cost thousands of dollars each.
oh and the newer "qualcomms" use a well known operating system can you guess witch one that is? i'll give you a hint.
you are probably using it right now, and it was also founded by a billionaire leftist crony.
kickbacks anyone?
obama dines with billionaire crony
edit on 8-5-2014 by bjax9er because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 07:47 AM
a reply to: OFFTHEGRID


Jesse wants to know of any examples about how deep their dark money pockets run that the ATS community can share with him.

I would be glad to Sir!

I partook in an ATS thread back in April, called Bill backed by Koch brothers and Monsanto to block GMO labeling laws in US

And I direct your attention specifically to my post which I shall also quote in full below ...

originally posted by: DietJoke
reply to post by DietJoke

Ok I have found a credible connection between The Koch brothers and the Grocery Manufacturers Association.

1stly ... Koch Industries: Georgia-Pacific

Georgia-Pacific is a paper and pulp company that produces "Brawny" paper towels, "Angel Soft" toilet paper, "Mardi Gras" napkins and towels, "Quilted Northern" toilet paper and paper towels, "Dixie" paper plates, bowls, napkins and cups, "Sparkle" paper towels, and "Vanity Fair" paper napkins, bowls, plates and tablecloths. The Atlanta-based company has operations in 27 states.

2ndly ... Grocery Manufacturers Association: Members

James B. Hannan, CEO and President of Georgia-Pacific

And upon rereading the OP and the political donor list I noticed ...

Pompeo, a Republican from Kansas, has numerous ties to Charles and David Koch, heads of the formidable multinational corporation Koch Industries. He founded Thayer Aerospace (now known as Nex-Tech Aerospace) with investment funds from Koch Industries, and later was named president of Sentry International, an oilfield equipment company that partners with Koch Industries. His initial run for Congress in 2010 was also bankrolled by Koch brothers. Once in the House, the congressman introduced bills sympathetic to Koch Industries, says The Washington Post.

23 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,356,147 98% 1%

And ...

"GMA’s selection of Congressman Pompeo as their champion shows how extreme the proposal really is," said Colin O’Neil, director of government affairs for the Center for Food Safety. "Selecting Pompeo creates an unholy alliance between Monsanto and Koch Industries, two of the most reviled corporations in America."

GMA must be the ... Grocery Manufacturers Association!

So therefor ... we now have the Koch brothers controlling their puppet Mike Pompeo and he is beating the Grocery Manufacturers Association's war drum and we have the Koch brothers inside man on the board of the GMA with James B. Hannan, CEO and President of Georgia-Pacific, to act as their spokesperson.

Now as I read the source article more deeply ... It seems to link like this ...

In recent months it became apparent that powerful farming and biotechnology interest groups like Monsanto were forming a 'Coalition for Safe Affordable Food' to push a federal voluntary labeling standard for food made with genetically-modified organisms in order to in an effort to stem the tide of state legislation seeking to mandate labeling.
Read more:

The Grocery Manufacturers Association (GMA), a major food industry lobbying group and a top member of this new coalition, raised and spent the bulk of the overall $22 million that opponents of labeling sank into defeating Washington State’s ballot initiative on GMO labeling last year, which is three times the amount that proponents of labeling spent in the state.

So Monsanto sets up a Coalition of the willing to fight mandatory GMO labeling ... and the Koch brothers, behind the Grocery Manufacturers Association in the form of James B. Hannan, CEO and President of Georgia-Pacific, and behind the politics in the form of Congressman Mike Pompeo,... bankrolled $22 million to defeat Washington State’s ballot initiative on GMO labeling last year.

What do Monsanto and the Koch brothers/Industries have in common? ... They both own/run FERTILIZER businesses.

Maybe GMO foods need a lot of fertilizer

*************** end of quote ***********

Now as BABYBULL24's post points out the Koch brothers are only directly #59 on the list and this is where the head of the beast is ... but with their connections to the space industry [fertilizer makes great rocket fuel] the might have tentacles reaching as high as #23.

My post also shows that they basically own a certain politician and also have great influence in the Grocery Manufacturers Association [GMA].

I am also sure that somehow that their raising of cattle ties into their influence in the GMA and at the minimum it shows they do have a stake in the Beef industry.

It is all about subterfuge and if they can own a politician then they can also own union bosses and have them like moles and spies in all enemy ranks.

I hope this is the kind of information you were seeking!

edit on 9/5/2014 by DietJoke because: Edited to fix spelling.

edit on 9/5/2014 by DietJoke because: Edited to remove quote tags so the text displays correctly. Added the end of quote text.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 09:36 AM
IDK if this is relevant but the Koch brothers owned the chemical plant that leaked the poison in the water in WV. They acted like they didn't care, -like it was no big deal. Hundreds of thousands went without water and many are still afraid to drink it, but they have no choice. They then made a move for WV to pick up the water bill(bottled water to the people). The Koch brothers have their hands in almost every natural resource out there.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 10:12 AM
Seen and read enough to know the Koch brothers are capitalists out of control using every dirty trick in the book and inventing a few of their own in their search for ever increasing returns. They are the antithesis of decent human beings and belong in prison for their scams.
They have their fingers in everything, including public education.
If ever two men needed their knuckles rapped it's these 2.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 11:41 AM
a reply to: Granite

The Koch brothers got where they are not by innovation and creating new products that people want, but by pumping out oil that people NEED to survive. That is a pretty nice sure fire racket to get involved in. Our civilization and world would fall apart without oil. In that sense, I don't like the idea of oil being in the hands of profiteers and should be considered a national security issue. Instead they have elevated the price for greater profits at the expense to our nation.

Northgrup Grumman like the Koch Brothers are also a private company that exist solely on our tax dollars to prop them up all for profit. Big Government is great when there are politicians to buy and profits to go after.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 11:45 AM
Here is a nice little speech about the Koch brothers.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 12:14 PM
a reply to: OFFTHEGRID

I used to really like Jesse Ventura and his message, I still even quote some of his better statements, but the more I see him, the more I think he is controlled opposition. I am not trying to be funny here or playing either side of the pro-con debate. Here we have a guy, totally immersed in the system that provides him a nice living, but he is telling us the system is corrupt and skewed? That's like saying I have this really great job but stating my boss is a lying ass who steals money and wants to lock me up, so don't believe anything my boss says while I collect my payday. I don't trust Ventura (I never did, but I did think he was semi-iconic) and as far as I am concerned he has very little credibility now. I mean seriously, follow the money, meaning his.

I've spoken with very intelligent people like Michio Kaku, who was a truly independent thinker and a bit of a rebel, I watched his transition during what appears to be the time he was bought out by the "system" and then do a complete 180. Maurice Strong is another, I knew him in the early 90's and back then he was pissed at the government, seriously pissed to the point he thought the lot of them should be charged with treason over the North Africa situation and now, he's done a complete 180, in the PTB/UN's pocket neck deep. People get influential and pop up on the "radar" and when that happens, they have to be turned so that they can be used by the PTB to maintain the status quo to further their agenda, rather that yours and certainly not anything that is equitable. They get the newly influential person used to a lifestyle and threaten to take it away or make it so they are financially extended and then threaten to take their income away, the 180 degree turnaround happens pretty fast. It's dirty tricks, happens all the time, even happened to me, except I didn't turn, I fought, so I am not rich and controlled.

This is just an observation of course based on my experience.

Cheers - Dave
edit on 5/9.2014 by bobs_uruncle because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 12:19 PM
a reply to: OFFTHEGRID

The Koch Bros. are the biggest foreign investors in the Canadian Tar Sands, and pushing hard for the international pipeline.

posted on May, 9 2014 @ 02:09 PM

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
I've spoken with very intelligent people like Michio Kaku, who was a truly independent thinker and a bit of a rebel, I watched his transition during what appears to be the time he was bought out by the "system" and then do a complete 180.

Everything I have seen so far tells me he is a total stooge for TPTB.

Are you saying he is no longer working for the elite?

Can you give any sources for this?

He says that global government is progress. One-world government means "Type 1 civilization". And all who oppose it are "terrorists". Michio Kaku = Illuminati propaganda agent

He's a "science" shill for the NWO, always ready to spin the story whatever way the CIA, or the Pentagon, or the NSA, or the NWO spin meisters at MIT or Harvard, or Columbia, or John Hopkins, or Tavistock want him to spin it. You know this guy has to be the voice of the PTBs with all the press he gets. He’s set up as such an unchallengeable authority. Michio Kaku – New World Order Facilitator

posted on May, 10 2014 @ 02:15 PM
Here we go again, we could have a discussion about why they are bad/good for America, Instead you guys need to get in the "your billionare spends more" stuff.

I not as interested in who spends more, I'd like someone to explain how crony capitalism helps me and the rest of the economy. How am I benefited by money having such an impact in the direction of my country? Am I weird for thinking national interest should come over purchased favoritism? How am I benefited by legal changes that stomp out competition? Shouldn't we all have equal say in matters of politics?

Where am I going wrong in rejecting an American Plutocracy? While you guys bicker over who spends more, we keep inching closer to it.. Can we have that discussion instead of who spends more?

How are koch and soros benefiting us? If they aren't benefiting us, can we do away with the problem?
edit on 05pm02pm312014-05-10T14:27:49-05:0002America/Chicago by mahatche because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 11 2014 @ 12:49 AM
The Koch's and Soros are not benefiting anyone but themselves and their investors.They are not about improving their fellow citizen's lives they are about enriching themselves and their companies.Profit over people nothing more nothing less.

posted on May, 13 2014 @ 07:37 PM
Thanks for sharing this list- the Koch Bros are definitely not the only guilty ones, they are just one example of the problem..
a reply to: BABYBULL24

posted on May, 28 2014 @ 04:22 PM
a reply to: mahatche

The problem isn’t the Koch brothers necessarily. They’re just the example. The problem is the system that allows it to happen.
Of course, we should not have equal pay. That’s up to the world, and the value placed upon a job, and what you can get for doing it. But, the inequality out there is horrendous right now.
In fact, I’ll say something shocking that I’ve been dying to talk about for awhile. We’ve had the big debate on minimum wage. I think, instead of having minimum wage, we should have maximum wage. And now people are going to go nuts, but my view is that no one should be able to make over $100 million a year. If you can’t live on $100 million a year, then you should face capital punishment...and I say that, of course, tongue-in-cheek, but I mean, it is ridiculous.
When you look at Walmart, and you have the people at Walmart being subsidized to billions a year by our government because they can’t earn a living wage, while Walmart makes $16 Billion a year -- or whatever obscene price it is -- I mean come on...what’s wrong with this picture? What are they doing that could possibly warrant them that type of money?
I think instead of discussing minimum wage we should be discussing maximum wage. You have to include the owners too, not just the CEOs. The Walton family, they’re not CEOs, they just own. And the people that work there have to be government subsidized while they’re carting home billions a year? For doing what...playing golf? What do they do? Nothing. They just simply own it.
It’s pretty difficult to deal with the problem now that the Supreme Court has opened up the floodgates and made the decisions they’ve made, that corporations are the same as people, that money is free speech. The only way — and it’s happening out there, but whether it will get to that point — is you have to put it into the Constitution. You have to amend the Constitution to state that corporations do not have the rights of people, and that money explicitly is NOT free speech. That’s the only way it can be stopped.
Good luck, because the Democrats and Republicans are the ones who have to do it for you. And they’re unreliable, because they’re part of the problem, not the solution. But that’s the only way it could be accomplished is to amend the Constitution and then, of course, the government would have to respect the Constitution — which they haven’t done since 9/11. It’s a pretty tough situation we’re looking at in this instance.

posted on May, 28 2014 @ 09:54 PM
Look at type in Charles or David Kochs name. It is not the money that they spend lobbying it is the money they spend at the Cato Institute or the Heritage Foundation or Americans for Prosperity. It is not just the money they spend on big races look at the Iron County Board of Supervisor race in WI, look at the Columbus Zoo Levy, look at how they are involved in these secondary and tertiary groups then form your own opinion.

reply to: OFFTHEGRID

posted on May, 30 2014 @ 06:31 PM
a reply to: Toadmund

From Jesse:

If someone's investing money, they want something in return. People like that don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts – they buy influence. And when they spend money to that level, they buy influence to what goes on. That’s the game they play – that’s called power. Money gives you power. And that’s how they exercise the power, through money. As Deep Throat said in the bowels of the parking ramp in All The President's Men: follow the money. Generally, if you use that attitude it will lead you to the results – following the money. Everything's money driven.

posted on Jun, 2 2014 @ 11:58 AM
a reply to: OFFTHEGRID

I don't know why everyone keeps acting surprised when they hear everything is about money. Yes that includes all institutions (churches). It's not like we didn't ask for this. We can't all start acting surprised when we see the bitter fruits of our complacency. Did we not all pledge allegiance to a capitalist state as children. Capitalism by definition is the love of money. Christian or not, I think we can all agree that the love of money is inherently evil.
I personally believe that Jesse's economical philosophy is the fool proof way to go. My point is don't act all surprised and victimized when your elected officials and other financial leaders screw you over. Those who seek power are rarely worthy to wield it. Your the exception Jesse

posted on Jun, 2 2014 @ 02:34 PM
a reply to: Fylgje

From Jesse:

It could well be, they're wonderful businessmen, and we do live in a corporate country now. I guess the only thing I could say about it is: always remember the definition of fascism -- it's when corporations control the government. It's up to all of you out there to be that judge: are we truly the United States of America? Or are we the Fascist States of America, as I've said?

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