Christians Worship Your Master

Got into a debate about slavery in the bible that required a little research and ran across a pretty amazing verse.



Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."





So according to the bible you shouldn't rebel against slavery. You should worship your master as if he were Christ himself. I really think this is funny when comparing it to the conservative evangelical movement in America. For all there talk of freedom. According to there religion, it's over rated.


The bible says that your supposed to shut up and take it. So with all the crazy talk about Obama being a dictator who wants to make himself king. Really you should be worshipping him as if he were Jesus.


Of course Obama isn't going to run for a third term, as all you yahoos claimed. But if her were to make himself king. Your supposed to shut up and worship him. :p

Now who's the cult.



On a real note.

I think this verse might lend some credibility to the theory that Jesus was a roman creation to stave off rebellion. It sure is convienient for a society always worried about slave rebellions, for there religious texts to say don't rebel and be a good slave.


As a disclaimer. I've never seen any evidence , besides conjecture, that the theory of Jesus being a creation of roman nobility is fact. But it was convienient for the Romans that the Jews got a guy who preached pay your taxes and obey the laws not the warrior king that was promised.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Ah yes, nothing better than when someone brings out 4,000 year old laws and demand we follow them. I'll just go out on a limb and suppose you probably don't even believe the 200+ year old Constitution should have it's laws followed to the letter. And I guess you have no issues with 600 year old Muslim laws that ARE actually still being followed. Keep on trolling though.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's



Sorry I couldn't resist...

a reply to: jjkenobi

That's new testement from Paul. Lol no old testement.

a reply to: ArtemisE
This part:

And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him."

Sounds like a slave master is not expected to continue being a slave master.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
a reply to: ArtemisE

Ah yes, nothing better than when someone brings out 4,000 year old laws and demand we follow them. I'll just go out on a limb and suppose you probably don't even believe the 200+ year old Constitution should have it's laws followed to the letter. And I guess you have no issues with 600 year old Muslim laws that ARE actually still being followed. Keep on trolling though.

If you claim to follow that faith from the bible and not follow the laws then why bother? Not to mention the constitution isn't part of a faith.

There are so many things wrong with this I don't know where to begin.

So, I wont bother.


Oh and Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution

This is taken from a letter written by a guy who was a wealthy opportunist and most likely owned his own slaves. Council of Nicea included Paul's letters to maintain control over the masses since they preached submission to the God through the Church.

a reply to: ArtemisE

The old testament laws have always been fair-weather friends for Christians. Under Bush, I hear many cite scripture that tells Christians to obey the government with unwavering faith but, when there is a president they don't like, suddenly those scriptures aren't important.

Just like "thou shalt not kill"... when we are talking abortion, it's often cited but, when we talk about war, it's somehow justified. "Be good stewards to the Earth" is just fine and dandy until we start talking about global warming or the conditions they keep their animals in before they eat them.

I don't mind that Christians don't follow the letter of the law with the OT (in fact, I'm extremely grateful) but a person should at least be consistent with it.

a reply to: buster2010

I don't believe you should follow any immoral laws. I don't think those who freed slaves and taught women to read were criminals. So no I don't think any laws written by man are infallible. Nor did the founding fathers , that's why they added the ability to amend it.....

I'm not stupid enough to fall for all the buzz word bs from either side. Some how they have convinced you sheeple that if the head of a union is corrupt, them the concept of a union is evil. Socialist, communist, Muslim gays and all the other things they have brain washed y'all into thinking are inherently evil.


If you put King author in charge of a communist country or a monachy you have a European society. Of course on the other hand you put a monster in charge and it's WW3 and slavery. That's why we go democracy. Because were not willing to take the chance that we get a monster.

Slavery wasn´t an invention created by New Testament, christianity wasn´t about politics either. Some of the old texts are guides to people to not to get into trouble.
New Testament doesn´t courage slavery instead slavery is product of original sin which led Adam and Eve from paradise.

Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

John 8:35-36

The verse should give some perspective into what we are actually doing here. I can not tell you why suffering was the chosen metheod to heal ones spirit into a pleasing form but that is what humanity has been doing all along and we continue to suffer today but what used to take a life time now will take many. I think that scientific research will one day uncover what the brain goes through during suffering and the impressions it can make on the dna.

I can tell you that thru some visions i have had suffering was chosen because the creator had to turn his back one day soon after creation and when he looked upon us again the most common emotion that we somehow naturally picked up on was suffering. So perhaps that is why we suffer because it was the most common and strongest emotion we all went through. Perhaps one day soon the suffering can end and love can be chosen.

There should be no doubt to believers that we are beast of burdens to another place. Perhaps this suffering just gets the job done of shaping us for a future there. I do see clearly that the easy answer is that it is just done out of spite or cruelty amusment purposes but i try to be a glass half full person and since i know there is a GOD i submit and trust in his will. Afterall you do not change seats on a roller coaster during the ride.

a reply to: ArtemisE

The war for Christianity was lost at Nicea when the religion of Christ and the Gnostics was defeated and we now have the 'Roman Empire Religion - hell the Pope even lives in Rome which should say something - surely he should live in Jerusalem. There is no record of Christ ever having gone there. (I know the history of the area was not always conducive but symbolically shouldn't he have gone there once it was safe?).

I think you're right about the use of the religion it was used simply to forge both the Roman eastern and western sides of the empire together and religion is the cheapest velvet glove approach to dominion. It ensured you obeyed your Emperor and you paid your taxes.

Its only from odd documents the early Christian Fathers did not destroy, that we even had an inkling of what Christ really taught and once the Nag Hammadi documents were found, it opened up Christianity again. Its a shame that evangelicals don't read them and educate themselves rather than from the bible which is nothing but a hotchpotch of stories, some utterly distasteful and has been altered and rewritten so many times its accuracy is not to be trusted.

What makes me interested though is that no one has observed that the Pope is probably the anti Christ, Christ himself warned against. In the Gnostic writings which were written by the Apostles and dictated by Christ, we learn that when we become like Christ we will be equal to him and he will greet us as equals. That is a huge step away from today's dogma. It puts us into the position of not needing a priesthood to intercede on our behalfk, in fact Christianity teaches the opposite to what the Gnostic Christ taught so can we reach a goal of divinity under current Christianity, or has Christianity cut us off from God completely? Probably the closest of the congretation are the mystics who long to merge with God. Food for thought if nothing else.

a reply to: ArtemisE

We are slaves to our jobs. We need our wages to survive. We also need the government (as corrupt as it is) for basic civil order. Jesus wanted us to be express love to Him by obedience. Therefore being obedient to authority figures is not worship of authority figures, but an expression of love and trust in Christ.

The only time a Christian can disobey authority is when that authority leads you to sin.

a reply to: ArtemisE

Many have to keep in mind the deceptive hands that have had opportunity to touch the great books.

With this in mind 1 can see how some could use this OP data to sway the rebelliousness potentials within slavi... Not objectively saying that's the case but over time its been observed how a political mind could influence the Great books.


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a reply to: the owlbear

Council of Nicea included Paul's letters to maintain control over the masses since they preached submission to the God through the Church.

The Council of Nicaea had nothing to do with selecting the books of the Bible. Paul's epistles had been an accepted part of the Christian canon for over a hundred years before Constantine -- they were some of the first undisputed texts, in fact.

a reply to: ArtemisE

I don't believe you should follow any immoral laws. I don't think those who freed slaves and taught women to read were criminals. So no I don't think any laws written by man are infallible. Nor did the founding fathers , that's why they added the ability to amend it.

That would fall in line with my saying that the Constitution isn't part of a faith.

I'm not stupid enough to fall for all the buzz word bs from either side. Some how they have convinced you sheeple that if the head of a union is corrupt, them the concept of a union is evil. Socialist, communist, Muslim gays and all the other things they have brain washed y'all into thinking are inherently evil.

What are you talking about?? I never mentioned anything about something being inherently evil. Just that if you aren't going to follow the laws of a religion then why follow that religion.

If you put King author in charge of a communist country or a monarchy you have a European society. Of course on the other hand you put a monster in charge and it's WW3 and slavery. That's why we go democracy. Because were not willing to take the chance that we get a monster.

No we just vote them into office.

originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: jjkenobi

That's new testement from Paul. Lol no old testement.

Paul the defiler of Jesus message strikes again (Empire strikes back).

a reply to: adjensen

I think there are some who would argue that Paul, who seems to make up the majority of the NT was not personally a disciple and we only had his word for his conversion. Many think he was a Roman spy - I don't know but I wouldn't be surprised as the true disciples don't seem to have held him in much regard.

The bible itself was not fully put together until some time in the 12th century. It was an ongoing work during that time and Nicea decided upon the exclusion of a lot of documents from it, especially many of the Gospels that were around in those days. They even decided not to include the Books of Enoch which the Jews regarded as sacred at that time. Nicea in short defined that Jesus was the actual Son of God so not wholly human. The bible was not created in a sudden big bang. The only means of bringing the religion to the people was through the clergy and a very few who could read Latin, which was not the language of most countries, only their educated who were few and far between. So the church preached to people exactly what it wanted them to digest.

Well, it is pretty hard to be worshipping god if the ones controlling you decide to kill you for not doing what they say. We wouldn't probably be here today if one of our ancestors was killed for this reason.

The rule was: if you can convert them they are allowed to live, if you cannot control them they are to die. Recondition the young to know this. Actually, things are not really that much different nowadays.