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originally posted by: SixX18
17 years 9 months? what was that spike? Not saying it is global warming because idc about climate change or weather day to day. Just curious. I think Fukushima would have a bigger impact on our globe than co2. Besides, co2 is naturally occuring. Volcanic erruptions put millions of times more co2 into the air as humans do through Earths history.
originally posted by: Meee32
a reply to: Greven
As to why it might be a bit lower??? NO warming for 17 years... non... co2 UP, temps, no change... So you think it's the solar minimum and the guy below thinks it's the sea... which was there all along btw so fail to see what difference that makes...
I believe the sun is the main driving factor for temps certainly and the fact remains it has happened before without us even being here! It has nothing to do with us! If this temp rise had never been seen before, fine... It has, many times! Maybe the earth NEEDS to do it? Maybe if we stop it we'll have blowback somewhere else?
There are no guarantees stopping the cycle would be good for earth right?
EDIT: The graph you posted is in relation to the second link yeah? Why doen't the graph reflect all the years that the data does? Seems the graph cuts off a 100 plus years? Why?
Also, I kinda question graphs like this in general, look at how the hockey stick graph was manipulated and falsified, so... Also the solar minimum relates to what the sun itself is doing yeah? Or does it also take into account earths rotation and position to the sun... As in are we closer or further away etc...
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Meee32
How about this?
We're making things a lot worse for our children's children instead of better.
2: The satellite datasets are based on measurements made by the most accurate thermometers available – platinum resistance thermometers, which not only measure temperature at various altitudes above the Earth’s surface via microwave sounding units but also constantly calibrate themselves by measuring the known temperature of the cosmic background radiation, which is 1% of the freezing point of water, or just 2.73 degrees above absolute zero. It was by measuring minuscule variations of the cosmic background radiation that the NASA anisotropy probe enabled the age of the Universe to be determined: it is 13.82 billion years.
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: MarlinGrace
How much of that 17 Trillion debt has to do with wars for oil, subsidies for fossil fuels and most of it was just outright stolen er "gone missing" and no one in the Treasury Dept supposedly has a clue where 13 Trillion dollars went... so 4 Trillion actual debt which is about what the War For Oil err on Terror has cost the US. If we took the bitter pill and increased our debt in the short term in order to bring alternative energies to viable, we'd reduce our debt in the long run.
1) The stimulus provided some $90 billion in financing for a wide array of clean energy programs. Here’s the breakdown: There's $29 billion for improving energy efficiency, including home retrofits; $21 billion in incentives for renewable generation, such as solar and wind; $10 billion for modernizing the electric grid; $6 billion to promote advanced vehicles and a domestic battery industry; $18 billion for high-speed rail and other trains; $3 billion for research into carbon capture for coal plants; $3 billion for job training; and $3 billion for clean manufacturing tax credits.
A few caveats. Not all of these programs are strictly Obama programs. Some of them were signed into law by President Bush, but didn't get funding until the stimulus was enacted. An example is ARPA-E, which conducts research into long-shot energy technologies and was first created in 2007. What's more, some programs involve loans or loan guarantees, which means the money will be repaid so long as the companies survive.www.washingtonpost.com...
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: MarlinGrace
Likewise can you provide sources for that figure of 100s of billions in alternative energy grants?
Thanks in advance for the sources.