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Arrested for Speaking Out at School Board Meeting - Video

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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: SuperFrog

The Chair was essentially trying to dismiss her boss.

As I mentioned above, if a stranger gives my child material which I object to, trying to force it on them is going to result in a sock in the face. The Chairman was shown his respect when he wasn't clobbered. He failed to reciprocate by finding a reasonable remedy to the gentlemans frustration at school policy.

Regardless, it is good that he went to jail. That is what acts of civil disobedience are. And I support his actions 100% as a reasonable man, and a father.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth
A man was arrested for speaking out in an informal meeting. And just because he asked to be arrested is not sufficient grounds for arrest, diligent police officers know this.

Also speaking up at a meeting, or out of turn of roberts rules of order is not itself an offense to be incarcerated. Bad arrest and bad decision by the school board. The meeting should have been adjourned immediately and no one should have been arrested.

A) It was a formal business meeting of the school board, so you're wrong there.
B) So I'd have to come back another time because one arse won't shut up? What if he shows up then, too?
C) You know there is staff time being paid for as well, and that's right out of the school board budget.

If he really wanted to accomplish something, he'd have buttonholed the press, and they would have given him a fine soapbox.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
A) It was a formal business meeting of the school board, so you're wrong there.


Thanks for that. Typo edit

Actually they can arrest him for disorderly conduct, but why is the question?

I think most people are just fed up in the USA and other parts of the world with leaders that get to break laws, rules, codes of conduct and remain in power, but when a ordinary Joe decides to speak out of turn he winds up being arrested.


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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

Sorry to break it up to you, but meetings are not place where everyone speaks as they seem fit.

This man not following rules, and as that longer video shows, actually provoking Chairman... you can make civil unrest out of it, I just call it stupidity.

As for book, I haven't read the book, and I doubt that idiot who got arrested did read whole book. There has to be good reason this was given to this kids for reading, especially after so many school shootings. If book makes one shooter release he will do something stupid - great, there is a reason to read it.

Comparing every stupidity with what our forefathers did - that is why in Georgia today you can carry gun everywhere except in the building where people who came with that law work... Sorry, same excuse does not work all the time...



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
A) It was a formal business meeting of the school board, so you're wrong there.

Thanks for that. Typo edit
Doesn't give them grounds to arrest. Period.
The guy's a lawyer, and he brought a pretty serious looking camera crew. What do you wanna bet he's running for office?


Baer's arrest came after he was asked to leave the meeting after interrupting a statement by a Joe Wernig, a parent who supported having the book on the school's reading list and suggested that if Baer and other critics had their way ''these people will be dictating what we can and cannot read.'' That prompted Baer to interrupt and say ''that's absurd'. No one's trying to ban the book or burn it''' and defend his criticism of the choice of the book for high school students to read as justified. He was then asked to leave the room by Gilford Police Lt. James Leach and arrested when he refused. Link[/e xnews]



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck
A) It was a formal business meeting of the school board, so you're wrong there.


Thanks for that. Typo edit

Still doesn't give them grounds to arrest. Period.


Just a curious question for those on your thread OP that think this man deserved to be arrested by his "Authoritarian Overlords"....

I am just wondering if they were upset with OWS protestors being, kettled, and arrested......

I don't buy into the left/right paradigm at all! I believe in the piece of parchment called the Constitution!

When children act out and commit murder we hear about the parents and their poor upbringing and THEN GUNS! What disturbs me the most about those whom are so willing to submit to an authoritarian school board and their views of allowing 9th graders to read what I would call very aggressive porn, is simply this! If we are so willing to sacrifice our children to our government indoctrinated school systems, then why should we blame parents anymore for the poor decisions their children make?

It's time to point the finger at our school systems and the government! A parent whom is arrested for doing WHAT????? Protecting his daughter from reading porn in a public school??????

America died a long time ago in my eyes......



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:39 PM
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oh hell....looks like i'm gonna need this...



there we go....

ok, so i'm guessing i'm gonna be in the minority here, but i didn't see too big a problem with what happened here..

he was being loud, and obnoxious, and disruptive, he was asked to stop, he continued, the cop asked him to leave, he didn't.....it wasn't so much the fact that he was speaking up about the content of the book, it was a matter of him being disruptive in the meeting....

i mean, i don't like the idea of people being arrested for little stuff like this, but if he's being disruptive, and refusing to stop, or leave, what choice is left?



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:42 PM
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I feel the way his daughter felt when she spoke up saying she witnessed her father being arrested for going over the 2 minutes.

Telling them how horrible they were, and that she didn't feel safe, that they didn't make her feel safe. Which is the truth, fascist nazi's endanger everyone. No one feels safe by anyone like this.

I would hope that everyone would take their children out of that school or district, and home school if they couldn't car pool to another area, even arrange small homeschooling groups with those working from home.

Make them rethink obeying government concepts of nwo, by having them lose their jobs and pensions. Then other school districts will stop being asshats too! They're just paid employees of the people.

If that material was force fed to my child I would inform them this stops now. If it didn't, for the entire month this was going on, he'd be sick.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: Realtruth

Sorry to break it up to you, but meetings are not place where everyone speaks as they seem fit.



Really here is just one example, without being partisan I can post more from each side.




posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Daedalus
oh hell....looks like i'm gonna need this...



there we go....

ok, so i'm guessing i'm gonna be in the minority here, but i didn't see too big a problem with what happened here..

he was being loud, and obnoxious, and disruptive, he was asked to stop, he continued, the cop asked him to leave, he didn't.....it wasn't so much the fact that he was speaking up about the content of the book, it was a matter of him being disruptive in the meeting....

i mean, i don't like the idea of people being arrested for little stuff like this, but if he's being disruptive, and refusing to stop, or leave, what choice is left?


Simple question.

Are you a parent?

If you had a belief system on how to raise your children and you found out your school system was undermining your beliefs would you take it lightly?



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:44 PM
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They adore their pensions, medical and dental. Take it away from them and let other schools step in line.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Seeker I had to retract my statement about they can't arrest for disorderly, because police actually can, but at their discretion.

en.wikipedia.org...


A typical definition of disorderly conduct defines the offense in these ways:

A person who recklessly, knowingly, or intentionally:
(1) engages in fighting or in tumultuous conduct;
(2) makes unreasonable noise and continues to do so after being asked to stop; or
(3) disrupts a lawful assembly of persons;
commits disorderly conduct


And with this definition most of our elected officials should have been arrested multiple times.

In this particular case, even though he was being disobedient arresting him was not necessary. The meeting should have been terminated, and rescheduled for a later date.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: Realtruth

And if he shows up again, witch I am sure he would do?!



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:56 PM
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originally posted by: Unity_99
They adore their pensions, medical and dental. Take it away from them and let other schools step in line.



What type of school? religious homeschoolers? Yeah that is what we need, kids who think slavery is a god given rule.

Nothing say hire me like a diploma from destiny land.


Isn't that what home school is about now a days? pushing religion on kids because public school refuse to?

from what i remember, home school is taught by parents who themselves have some sort of knowledge and have the time and patience.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 01:59 PM
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a reply to: luciddream


Ordinary one. Not religious. I am not religious. And none of those saudi textbooks. I have a thread on the socials text my son had to take and I did speak and they offered to withdraw him and give him credit for something else. And the look on their face was cautious and busted, like they knew this might not go over well.


This has nothing to do with what the book was, it only has to do with how they treated the father. You cannot arrest parents for speaking up or going over their time or even being irate and saying NOT ON MY WATCH WITH MY TAX PAYER DOLLARS ARE YOU DOING THIS TO THE KIDS! Parents are their real paying boss.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: Realtruth

And if he shows up again, witch I am sure he would do?!



If this guy has a hidden agenda, since he is a lawyer, and he is taking advantage of a situation, which I hope is not the case, then I would have to place him in the scumbag lawyer section.

Rights are one thing, but ambulance chasing lawyers that bait the system are almost as bad aa corrupt politicians.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: Realtruth

Sorry to break it up to you, but meetings are not place where everyone speaks as they seem fit.

This man not following rules, and as that longer video shows, actually provoking Chairman... you can make civil unrest out of it, I just call it stupidity.

As for book, I haven't read the book, and I doubt that idiot who got arrested did read whole book. There has to be good reason this was given to this kids for reading, especially after so many school shootings. If book makes one shooter release he will do something stupid - great, there is a reason to read it.

Comparing every stupidity with what our forefathers did - that is why in Georgia today you can carry gun everywhere except in the building where people who came with that law work... Sorry, same excuse does not work all the time...





There has to be a good reason the book was given to the kids to read?? That comment is fundamentally stupid considering the disgustingly downward decline that our education system is in. Our education system isn't even in the top 10 anymore. Don't tell me there are "reasons" why the education board approved this book into the system. You're talking about the same education system, that in most parts of the country can't even supply the teachers with a proper fund or a yearly raise because of how disgustingly terrible it is. You're talking about the same education system that is behind 90% of Europe in terms of quality of learning. You're talking about the same education system where professors at college's don't even teach the class anymore, they have student aides to do the work while they get paid. The SAME education system that is teaching the younger generation to watch TV and follow it's political leaders and figures of power with every word they say.

My post isn't to verbally attack you, but judging by how hard you're riding the positive reigns of the educational system, I'm gonna venture a guess and say you think Sarah Palin can see Russia from her doorstep too right?

Quit believing that every institution in this world is out to do us a favor and actually listen to what we say, or better yet, want us to grow as a society. The faster you learn the PTB are out for themselves and nobody else, and you are just a number, whether it be the judicial system, the educational system, the political system, or the law enforcement system. YOU ARE A NUMBER. Guess what happens when you're erased?? A new number pops up. Learn it and hate it, cuz this is the country of the United States of America. I love my country, but I don't have to love my government.

Moreso on topic. I think this man had every right to speak out, getting arrested was a bit excessive, as I have already stated. End of story. He violated a rule of the meeting, not a law of the government. Plain and simple.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:10 PM
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He didn't get arrested for speaking out. He got arrested for refusing to honor the time limit and taking over the meeting, not letting others have their time.

I think you're looking for something to call a free speech violation where there is none.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:11 PM
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originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
He didn't get arrested for speaking out. He got arrested for refusing to honor the time limit and taking over the meeting, not letting others have their time.

I think you're looking for something to call a free speech violation where there is none.



So you think having him escorted out of the meeting is a completely unreasonable solution?



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:12 PM
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originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: SuperFrog
a reply to: Realtruth
And if he shows up again, witch I am sure he would do?!

If this guy has a hidden agenda, since he is a lawyer, and he is taking advantage of a situation, which I hope is not the case, then I would have to place him in the scumbag lawyer section.
Rights are one thing, but ambulance chasing lawyers that bait the system are almost as bad a corrupt politicians.

Well, the local paper states:

Baer has attracted a lot of media attention both before and after Monday night's meeting, which was filmed by WMUR Channel 9, including an interview with Education Action Group Foundation, a group which says it wants to promote sensible education reform and expose those who have an interest in maintaining the status quo.


Most of the folks here have been sucked into a manufactured debate. The guy challenged the cop to arrest him, he'd already spoken out publicly beforehand, he's a lawyer and he knows exactly what the consequences of his actions would be...and I'm betting that a misdemeanor won't affect his status at the bar. And he just happens to have a professional camera and operator on hand?

And all you folks who are making this a free speech issue...what about the guy who spoke before him and said he didn't like the idea of other people determining what his kids could and could not read? How about those rights?

Sorry guys...you been played!




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