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Shortly after admitting that you know the tao cannot be known, which is a glaring contradiction, you say: .... So how do you know it is an illusory goal? If it isn't to be known, then for all you know it isn't an illusory goal. For someone claiming the tao cannot be known, you seem to know a lot about it.
No one is saying knowledge about strawberries is the same as strawberries. That is a ridiculous analogy. But we can nonetheless talk about strawberries.
"saying you can achieve it, is the same thing as saying you don't know what it is"
originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Aphorism
I am confused, who has the power to spiritually reorient?
So, according to Plato, the "cave dwellers" are those who look at the ordinary material world and think that this (material world) is all that there is to "reality". They (irreligious materialists) are only looking at "appearances/shadows" and not the true reality of the "spiritual realm".
That "divine realm" is what Socrates and Adeimantus were discussing when Socrates was arguing (to Adeimantus's head-nodding agreements) that Homer would be strictly CENSORED in a perfect/ideal Greek city state for anything "derogatory" he had written about either Zeus or the rest of the Greek pantheon of gods.
In short and in sum, according to Plato/Socrates it is those who do not believe in God/gods who are looking at a "material realm of shadows" as distinct from the world of pure eternal ideas.
Without getting into religion at all, you hear the same sort of "stuff" from modern physicists. The real world is the world of quarks, photons and/or tachyons which are just as mysterious to most people as is Zeus, Apollo or the Holy Spirit to them.
Upon further reflection, the power is never lost, just redirected temporarily or permanently on a new or existing spiritual path. Who is to say that taking a religious path does not reorient some people spiritually?
originally posted by: Aphorism
How has the world faired because of it? In my opinion, religion has failed, and yet another spiritual reorientation is necessary, one that isn't built on fear and myth.
a reply to: Itisnowagain
It is words (naming/labelling) which is the origin of all particular things.
originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Itisnowagain
Space is not the consequence of anything. Space was prior to anything and will be there after any thing.
Space and time do not exist. They only exist by being observed.