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These contradictions and plenty of other ones are what lead me to realize that people only made up these stories to keep societies in line. The claims of omnipotency are in themselves contradictory to the rest of these claims.
originally posted by: iosolomon
assuming God is real (and for those who saw my other threads, it is unrelated to that; this is a strictly philosophical question).
Here is the groundwork for this question, but feel free to address it however you want. I am just sharing my musings on it, but no means, are they complete or exhaustive.
In Thomistic philosophy, God is completely simple. He is omniscient, which means He knows all things (which makes sense if he is the source of all things).
To proceed logically with the question requires first to determine which principles to apply and second, how to interpret the key word "make." It also requires us to define what prophecy is.
The question can be approached either philosophically or theologically, which proceeds from different principles (philosophy from experience and deduction and theology from revelation).
In theology, we are told that God sends prophets and gives them a message which to preach (for example, he sent Moses and Isaiah to preach a certain message, and so He may be said to have made prophecy in the sense of revealing a message to those prophets which were of future events that could not be known at that time with any certainty by those to whom they were revealed). So from a theological standpoint the question is an easy one. It is much harder as a matter of philosophy.
As to the definition of prophecy, a prophecy would be a foretelling of a future contingent event. I define "contingent event" as one the outcome of which is not currently determined by any currently moving natural causes whatsoever. I can easily defend this definition. If the natural forces are currently in motion which will determine the given outcome, it cannot be prophecy... it would instead be a study of cause an effect, the cause already being in motion. This would be more akin to modern material science than prophecy. So in the essence of prophecy is contingency.
As to the second question, to "make" prophecy could be taken as creating the events by which a thing is foretold. It could also be taken simply in the sense of revealing the things that are to be foretold by the prophet, as by a messenger.
Herein lies the heart of the problem from a philosophical standpoint: If an event can be foretold with certainty, it is not contingent. If an event is contingent, its cause is not yet in place so to speak (see the definition). So how can God say with certainty what is future and at the same time that event be contingent (as it must be to be a prophecy)? A further problem is that if God, who in Thomistic philosophy is shown as omnipotent, says a thing is to come, it must come.. .because for it not to occur is to deny God's omnipotence. This also negates contingency. A further problem is even thornier: we experience man to be a "free agent" so to speak. He is able to move and speak and direct his own thoughts... he has "free will" that permits him to choose to do a thing or not.
It seems that either his free will is an illusion or prophecy is an illusion, because to state something as certain to come to pass is to deny that there is freedom for it to be otherwise... but if man is a free agent with the ability to choose one way or another, doesn't a proclamation of the certainty of events which involves the free agency of man mean that this freedom is an illusion? How can the event be certain to come to pass and man still yet be free to act, as we experience?
EDIT: a reply to: rickymouse
lol yes I didn't mean to do that. I am not sure why I even pushed entered.
originally posted by: rickymouse
Everything I am is from others.
It wouldn't be a prophesy if it came from god, it would be the future. I'm thinking we aren't going to be able to BS him into believing we can change.
originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: DrinkMoreWater
"God and the world are in direct opposition and he constantly reminds us of that."
Then why did God create it and then said it was "Good".