John Kerry on religion: "Not the Way I Think Most People Want to Live"

John Kerry on religion: "Not the Way I Think Most People Want to Live"

I wonder what his priest in Boston thinks of that?

Side note - I've been to his church ... or at least the people there claimed it was his church. Catholic church right near Boston Common .. walking distance from his upscale home on Beacon Hill. Ultra progressive.

a reply to: FlyersFan

I wonder what his priest in Boston thinks of that?

He probably doesn't care.

In a day when the Presiding Bishop of the American Episcopal Church openly teaches heresy (last years doozy was when she said that the resurrection "didn't matter,") and the Catholic Bishops refuse to excommunicate pro-abortion voting politicians, it is unreasonable to think that any priest is going to stand up for the teachings of the Church. I've seen it collapse around here over the past couple of years, and no one cares.

originally posted by: JonButtonIII
The core tenet of all religions is essentially "work to improve yourself and don't be a giant dbag to the people around you."

Then why don't they? You can't expect me to believe that tossing bible quotes or dogma out at the non-receptive isn't d-baggy. Especially when the pressure is ramped up by the religious to try to convince someone to convert (BTDT, "go away, not interested" truly seldom works) In any other context, that's straight-up harassment.

Kerry might be a bottle of Summer's Eve, but he has a valid point. Lest the religious of all variants want to be labeled oppressive control freaks, they might want to consider letting others be. Conversion is not that important.

originally posted by: seagull
That's why there are several billion believers globally... Clear proof of his thesis...

What a doofus.

And that's what's known as Argumentum ad populum.


Kerry is a giant dick, however the sooner ancient superstition is discarded and we throw away the god books, the better. Without religion retarding mankind's progress, we'd probably all have eradicated war & disease long ago and be living on mars by now..

Christians love to play the victim, but the truth is, you can't rise to high office in the USA or other western countries without declaring yourself a believer. Kerry is a noted Catholic, for example.

How far do you think you'd get if you openly declared yourself an atheist? In the US, not very far, it turns out. Until that disparity is overcome, atheists will always be the oppressed minority, not the believers..

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

atheists will always be the oppressed minority, not the believers..

how so?

Majority in Europe are now more in line with atheism. Many socialist countries are atheist. Majority in the scientific community are atheist, many of the so called 'modern Christians' believe in evolution. Major universities are populated by atheist professors, faculties and students, so how can the atheist be the "always ...oppressed minority"?

originally posted by: edmc^2
how so?

Majority in Europe are now more in line with atheism. Many socialist countries are atheist. Majority in the scientific community are atheist, many of the so called 'modern Christians' believe in evolution. Major universities are populated by atheist professors, faculties and students, so how can the atheist be the "always ...oppressed minority"?

Interesting that you feel compelled to turn to Europe and socialism for refutation, as I was talking specifically about the USA and western societies in my post... but... no matter -

Majority in Europe are now more in line with atheism.

This is untrue. Though the trend in Europe has been, on the whole heartening, atheists are still in the minority. Consider the eurobarometer polls which indicate an approximate median value of 20% atheist for the EU.



In many places in Europe atheists are the extreme minority. In fact if it weren't for the Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, England & France the numbers would be much higher for the believers.

Majority in the scientific community are atheist

True enough. However, you overestimate the impact of the scientific community upon everyday society - the scientific community are not the gatekeepers or adjudicators of western society.

many of the so called 'modern Christians' believe in evolution.

Sure, but I cannot see how that is relevant?

Major universities are populated by atheist professors, faculties and students

Again, true enough. The correlation between academia and belief is fascinating, isn't it? I'd suggest that's because the well read and well educated are in a better position to decide religion is bullcrap compared to the more ignorant people. Religion is reliant upon ignorance in order to spread.

It's great to see the trend towards atheism in some sectors in recent years. However in the US and in many western societies, the people who actually get to decide what kind of society we get to live in - the political classes - all have to declare themselves religious sychophants and behave in like manner lest they do not get elected.

Occaisonally, and encouragingly we do see people buck this trend in political circles. The former Australian Prime Minister, for example, but it's pretty rare. And in the USA, it's practically non-existant.

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

Major universities are populated by atheist professors, faculties and students

Again, true enough. The correlation between academia and belief is fascinating, isn't it? I'd suggest that's because the well read and well educated are in a better position to decide religion is bullcrap compared to the more ignorant people.

(Sorry for the poor quoting -- that's an ATS issue.)

The correlation appears to be along the lines of Liberal/Conservative, not "Truth/NotTruth". Evidence is that academic claims stem from a political perspective, as opposed to a non-biased religious or non-religious view.

Calling someone who has faith a "more ignorant person" is a pretty good indication of a biased view that should be dismissed. I probably have a better academic background in physics and cosmology than you do (though I bow to your knowledge of Pink Floyd, lol,) but because I believe in a creator, rather than randomness, my opinion doesn't matter.

Sad.

Good to know he believes in freedom of religion but doesn't he have anything better to do? We assume by default he supports the constitution. And he thinks that most people in America want freedom of religion? I thought we all did. Isn't that what our Country is all about? Or is he speaking about those in other Countries. Because if anyone knows what they want, it's Kerry.

Sometimes I think this is one big test with this administration, to see how dumbed down the American people are.

Most christians don't follow the rules in the bible, so why should they be able to force other people to?

a reply to: CB328

If someone is forcing another to conform to a set belief system you can call the police (if an adult/adult situation). I've not heard of any Christians forcing others into their religion but if you have, it's unusual and should be reported.

a reply to: adjensen

How disingenuous of the globalist jerk.

And how hypocritical.

He's blathering on about nuking religion . . .

while behind the scenes, he's working tirelessly as ordered

to

ABSOLUTELY FORCE on the whole planet

an incredibly old religion of worshiping satan--very literally.

What a huge deception the Oligarchy is waging about their ultimate goals.

Thankfully, a few of them have been more candid . . .

e.g. the quote taken from the first link below:

twoday.net...

www.crossroad.to...

www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com...


twga...

18. "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

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19."We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950

John Kerry's religion: satanism.

a reply to: BO XIAN

According to Wiki, the David Spangler quote you are using is a fabrication -

Spangler has been a focus of anti-New Age propaganda primarily from religious writers, some of whom falsely identified him as the "Director of Planetary Initiative for the United Nations," a wholly fictitious position in an organization with which he had no association. Likewise, the claim that he said that "no one will enter the New Age unless he or she makes a pledge to worship Lucifer and takes a Luciferic initiation," is equally untrue.

David Spangler

originally posted by: buster2010
Religion is just another tool to be used to control the masses. It is used to get the people to act in a way a small minority wants them to act while retaining power over them. Religion has been used to hold humanity back long enough and it is time we move beyond it. Just look back in history and you can easily find where religion has held back mankind's progress the dark ages being just one of many examples.

If you want to see how great Religion has being look how it has destroyed the Roman Empire. No offense meant but i used believe in Religion i still do believe in God and spirits but not Religiously.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

but did or do you know the term the dark ages actually refers to the sun?

It's called that because there were hundreds of years unaccounted for.
At a certain point, it was determined that it was the year such and such even though there was no actual chronology to figure it out from.
So the big gap between the parts that there was history for was called the Dark Ages because according to the theory that was officially adopted, there had to be so many years in there, whether they could be accounted for or not.

If we just went by the years that there was a history for, this would be the year 1400 and something.
It actually could be.
There is no proof that this the year 2014.
It just became church dogma, so we are stuck with it even if it is totally false.

a reply to: ReturnofTheSonOfNothing

Without religion retarding mankind's progress, we'd probably all have eradicated war & disease long ago and be living on mars by now..

I'd be curious to know what you base that opinion on. Lets face it, it's science that has given us the ability to destroy ourselves and the planet several times over, not religion. It's science that's increased the casualty count when there is a conflict, whatever the reason, not religion. Though I've heard it stated that more people have been killed in the name of religion than anything else, that really doesn't ring true to me. World War 1, World War 2, the Civil War in the States and so on . . . not what I'd consider to be religious wars.

So again, I'm curious, what is it that you base that idea upon?

I'm still trying to figure out why a politician would make mention of anything religion-related in the first place.

What the hell does theism (or lackthereof) have anything to do with his job as a Secretary of State ??

Or for that matter, any other kind of government civil service position ?

originally posted by: buster2010
Religion is just another tool to be used to control the masses. It is used to get the people to act in a way a small minority wants them to act while retaining power over them. Religion has been used to hold humanity back long enough and it is time we move beyond it. Just look back in history and you can easily find where religion has held back mankind's progress the dark ages being just one of many examples.

Religion is a set of beliefs.
As such, Kerry is just reinforcing another set of beliefs given to the populace thousands of times in the mass media pulpit.
In which case, it's religion.
And so according to your own words, this set of beliefs controls you.
From the beliefs expressed by Kerry, it most certainly gets you to do the very thing that it is designed to do - to place your faith in man and his philosophies instead of in Almighty God through the faith of Christ.

You mention the dark ages but cannot ascertain that we are heading straight back there as this world adopts the beliefs of those times today.
Why do you think that fortune tellers, psychics and necromancy now flood the airwaves?
Why has child sacrifice roared its ugly head again?
Why is superstition now oppressing minds again as the same mass media pulpit floods us with witches, werewolves, zombies, fairies sold as ETs, vampires and ghosts as real?
It's all symptomatic of the spiritual darkness of those very dark ages and we are reverting at an alarminging pace to those mind oppressing beliefs.
Religion. A set of beliefs.
All of which is opposed to Our Creator.

Not that I outright trust any politician who supports the official 9/11 lie (in particular), but cheers and courage points to Kerry for such a rational statement in this highly theistic - or to understate it - nation. (Not confusing spirituality with religion, by the way). Interesting coincidence that all the Bible-thumping huffing and puffing about Kerry is in tandem with Brunei just having implemented Sharia Law. Stone all the "sinners" and "infidels," dammit! True believers gotta believe no matter what, just in various types and degrees of ignorant manifestations. What an indescribably sick cultist "civilization" this place is.

a reply to: adjensen

He's a bonesman... what did you expect from a guy who spent his college years masterbating in a coffin and taking part in mock ritual murders?