On Bengazi, and why you shouldn't care

The movie nobody heard of until after the attack.

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@SheriefSfarid We've never heard of this movie, what is it?
2:35pm - 9 Sep 12


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a reply to: JewelOfDenial

wikipedia says he had a history of fraud and tax evasion.

the guy was trolling basically;

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: teamcommander Gee the MSM said so and you are drinking their kool-aid ...Please take the time to go see what has and is happening compared to your source the MSM ...deny ignorance please , please

I must admit I don't have enough time to watch Faux News all day. It just seems I have a regular life to live.
I have to get my news in small bites from ABCCNNNBCCBS.
This may well prove to be the downfall of civilization as we know it.
I guess we normal people are just going to have to learn to adapt and deal with the failure of our ways.

a reply to: teamcommander "ABCCNNNBCCBS." well that is the problem right there .You need to drop those shills and find some real news . I think there are a few threads on ATS that bring up the alternative sources you might find more truthful and more enlightening .

i think it boils down too, warts and all, that if the TRUTH, came out,, would he have lost the election.
Could not take a chance on the TRUTH.
because American's hate/love the TRUTH,, before all else.

Right American People? u know Truth, Justice,, the American way.

maybe the way is lost?

originally posted by: Aliensun

You forgot to mention all of the info about the failure of the chain of command to respond appropriately to the request for help that night, the earlier failure of Clinton to heed the requests for reinforcement of the outpost, and exactly where the Hell was our President the night that he should have been on top of things but seems to have been MIA.

I hate to be the one to inform you of this but you are sadly mistaken, misinformed or just flat out lying and it's statements like this one that reinforce the fact that this whole Benghazi issue is just another in a long list of "fake scandals" being propagated by the GOP.

If you have any real interest in knowing the truth, (which judging by your post, I seriously doubt) you may want to take a few minutes to read this article; (As it turns out, there was a response)

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●9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

●10:04 p.m.: A six-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

●10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

●10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

●10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

●11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts a group of State Department officers into a vehicle and sends it to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

●11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

●1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. (Also killed was a State Department communication specialist.) But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

●5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.

originally posted by: Aliensun
It is quite clear where the problem is, it this administration off on its pursuit of major policies of change and not attending to the normal duties of a President and his administration. They continue to destroy the country in a hundred different ways.

Everybody in the world can see that but staunch democrats.

B.S.! If that were true, why didn't you say a word about any of these cases?

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The Benghazi attacks (the consulate and the CIA compound) are absolutely not unprecedented even though they're being treated that way by Republicans who are deliberately ignoring anything that happened prior to Inauguration Day, January 20, 2009.

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months.

Was it because G.W. Bush, (a white republican) was in the White House at the time?

see now im confused,,
nice try though.

a reply to: Flatfish
yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww
(anyone got a whip sound)

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originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
The movie nobody heard of until after the attack.

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@SheriefSfarid We've never heard of this movie, what is it?
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too much to quote effectively, however, "In Egypt, the protest was organized by Wesam Abdel-Wareth, a Salafist leader and president of Egypt's Hekma television channel, who called for a gathering on September 11 at 5 pm in front of the United States Embassy, to protest against a film that he thought was named Muhammad's Trial"

most of the riots happened on sept 14.

originally posted by: BobAthome
i think it boils down too, warts and all, that if the TRUTH, came out,, would he have lost the election.
Could not take a chance on the TRUTH.
because American's hate/love the TRUTH,, before all else.

Right American People? u know Truth, Justice,, the American way.

maybe the way is lost?

Yeah, that's a laugh!

Considering the current GOP stance on everything from minimum wage to abortion and everything in between, there's no chance in hell that the Democrats will ever lose another presidential election to a Republican.

We may not be able to win over gerrymandered districts in congressional races but the nation as a whole, sees right through the ignorant B.S. currently being propagated by the Republican Party and their right-wing cohorts like Hannity and Limbaugh.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: teamcommander "ABCCNNNBCCBS." well that is the problem right there .You need to drop those shills and find some real news . I think there are a few threads on ATS that bring up the alternative sources you might find more truthful and more enlightening .

I have seen glimpses into your world and I will admit i really don't want to live in it.
Just a little to much different from mine.

If it wasn't for people pursuing the facts , we might not know as little as we do now. From the new Libyan President being made to look a liar .It was a pre-planned attack.. Hillary ..We will get the guy who created the video which caused the death of four Americans.. to..How did a known faction of AQ become involved and what was their true purpose..

Since it has been compared to Watergate a simple lie and cover up. lets go back and take a look at one man's theory on it..

Watergate Revisited: The CIA's War Against Nixon By Jesse Ventura with Dick Russell

Posted By: SealBoy
Date: Saturday, 21-April-2012 14:20:27

In Response To: Drake and the 2012 Scenarios – What To Believe? (ChristineHoeflich)








*Personally I have been suspicious of Drake since he mentioned Nixon wanting to surround the White House perpetuating the Watergate fiction.*

The official history is that the break-in on the night of June 17, 1972, into the Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate complex, was simply the latest in a long line of “dirty tricks” authorized by President Nixon. It just happened to be the time that his henchmen got caught. Ultimately, Watergate came to refer to the many illicit activities and the cover-up that led to Nixon's resignation in August 1974. That's the basic storyline of Woodward and Bernstein in All the President's Men, and most other accounts. Nixon was the bad guy who got carried away with his thirst for power, and that's that. But maybe it's as Watergate burglar G. Gordon Liddy once said: “The official version of Watergate is as wrong as a Flat Earth Society pamphlet.”

What if it all tracked back to the assassination of John F. Kennedy almost a decade earlier? What if the Watergate backstory is what Nixon knew, or wanted to know, about who killed JFK?

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a reply to: MajorAce

u see thats what happens when a guy who had ALL THE DIRT,, J Edgar Hoover, dies,,the dirt gets scattered,,,
maybe it should have been a lifetime appointment after all.

a reply to: teamcommander Come on now ,all you have to do is take the red pill .You know you want to but are a little afraid .We understand that it does take some courage but you can do it :>)

originally posted by: teamcommander

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: teamcommander "ABCCNNNBCCBS." well that is the problem right there .You need to drop those shills and find some real news . I think there are a few threads on ATS that bring up the alternative sources you might find more truthful and more enlightening .

I have seen glimpses into your world and I will admit i really don't want to live in it.
Just a little to much different from mine.

That's my problem with BOTH parties!

They both have their corrupt version of Utopia and they don't have a problem forcing others to live their lives according to it!

Put aside your political blinders and just ask yourself a simple question. Was the public lied to about the Benghazi attack?
Sure they were!

The only issue keeping the families of the 4 who died are the selfish attitudes of those whom will do anything within their power to protect their precious political CHURCH!

What ever happened to "Freedom and Liberty"?

The OP mentioned Watergate, and much like that scandal the incident in Benghazi revealed something deeper. It is not just about the attack; it is about what the CIA was doing there.

And no, I am not a Republican/conservative.

Listen, liberal apologist, Americans DIED at Benghazi. They asked for extra security because they had concerns BEFORE the terrorist attack, and the administration did NOTHING. They were under attack, called for help and the administration did NOTHING.

Who is in charge of the administration? Obama. He is responsible, ultimately. So stop trying to downplay and obfuscate the facts on behalf of these criminals. Judge Pirro is right, Stewart the liberal puppet is WRONG.

That is the bottom line. Accept it.

a reply to: seeker1963

I will admit, to those who don't know me it may seem as though I might have some political leanings. But let me assure you I do not.
I actually have a deep abiding distrust and dislike for all politicians. I am primarily an anarcist, in the sinse of wanting only to be left to my own devices for living.
So far as Benghazi is concerned, I have heard of little else for months and I honestly think it is time these "public servants" in Washington D C went back to doing the work they were "hired" to do.
Yes people are dead. People are still dead from WWI & WWII & Korea & Viet Nam & 9/11 & Iraq, so what can we do to bring them back or bring their killers to justice.
In most of these cases, we would end up trying to convict most of those politicians who would are responsible for writing and enforcing the laws. So why no learn to ajust and adapt, letting them find their own rewards in the booty which they so covet.

originally posted by: stormson

originally posted by: Aliensun
a reply to: stormson

You forgot to mention all of the info about the failure of the chain of command to respond appropriately to the request for help that night, the earlier failure of Clinton to heed the requests for reinforcement of the outpost, and exactly where the Hell was our President the night that he should have been on top of things but seems to have been MIA.

It is quite clear where the problem is, it this administration off on its pursuit of major policies of change and not attending to the normal duties of a President and his administration. They continue to destroy the country in a hundred different ways.

Everybody in the world can see that but staunch democrats.

your questions are valid, but the point remains that Benghazi doesn't rise to the scandalous proportions of Watergate, Iran-Contra, or the Iraq war.

I can answer one of your questions, though. Top military have said that no help could have arrived in time once the attack started. "The military did everything they possibly could that night. They just couldn't get there in time." Mike Mullen, testifying [Sept. 19, 2013] at a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee

Five men died...That's five more than died in the Watergate scandal...

This event lasted for over 9 hours...Recent testimony shows that military help could have been there in less than 2 hours...

This whole operation was our gov't transferring military weapons from Libya to Al Quaida in Syria...That's a far sight more serious than some people unsuccessfully breaking and entering into a building...

And it's not that people just didn't show up...They were told NOT to show up and it is comfirmed that THAT command could only come from Obama...

It has also recently been confirmed that Obama knew it was a terrorist attack from the get-go...

It so much easier to have a comedian on the comedy network tell me what I should and should not care about.

Investigating on my own from multiple sources is such a hassle, dude.