a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh right, what you really mean is you are going to ignore the evidence I have shown complete with quotes, documentable I might add, that the UN and
members of the Club of Rome have colluded to foist this monstrous thing on us for the purpose of World Domination
Allow me to wax over how difficult it is talking to each other this way.
Essentially, you're talking past me, while I'm, from your perspective, talking past you.
You claim I am ignoring your points, whereas you, from my perspective, appear to be skirting the issue of human influences on the environment. Were
each seeing something different in the "other" were communicating with.
I'm speaking in this existential way because it helps put us back into reality. This is where I try to speak from: I want to be aware of myself as I
reason, so that I am not ignoring or dismissing what the other says.
What I am sensing, mostly from you, is a sense of Fear. That we have good reason to fear the UN and the "elites" and all the people you crumple
together as co-conspirators.
If you stop and think about it, you're experiencing an emotion, and in this emotion, everything else you think is being animated and directed by this
emotion. I am telling you this because I always thought this way. I'm not sure if you recall our prior conversations, but i recall you being similar
to myself. I used to post as Dontreally before I changed my username. Over the years, my studies have taken me to different areas, so, within a
relatively short period of time (probably 3-4 years) I have experienced a transformation of perception in myself, particularly, in how I understood
myself in relation to other human beings, which in turn influenced my political and social views.
All those liberal books and ideas I used to comment on in the past really just came from ignorance. I didn't know what I was talking about. But I
wanted to see myself commenting on it so that my "internet self" could feel strong, influential and coherent. Now, I realize that this is what most
people are doing when they're perceiving reality from a perspective where the self is seen as isolated and different from other selves: ignorant of
the ontogenetic facts of it's own developmental history. How the self emerged from an intersubjective experience of the other. As I began to look into
myself and ask myself: why do you believe these things? And why do you feel this way about others? I understood that a lot of this conspiracy thinking
I engaged in stemmed from a personal feeling of not seeing myself reflected in the experiences of others. This produced in my mind, in my unconscious,
a bias in how I thought about the category "others". I realized how I always generalized things. I couldn't trust others in my own personal life, so,
in my conspiracy beliefs, there is this whole category of others who represent - in their totality - a body of beliefs, which, upon analysis, could
not be trusted. And considering also that beliefs - positive, or negative, that is, beliefs of commission, and beliefs of omission, exist
dialectically with one another, when I am making generalized claims about elite, I am omitting, and ignoring, alternative explanations that are far
more fundamentally sound, and rational, and balanced.
When I began to read books that I would have earlier denounced in my generalized way as "propaganda" - essentially everything, from my old
perspective, was tinged with a conspiratorial hue, and implied enormous prowess in the conspirators - I was surprised by how much my perceptions had
been changed. And how different I began to feel about institutions which I previously regarded as corrupt and inept.
Like I've written so far, I think climate change is real, because human beings represent an unnatural activity in earths geological history. The
biosphere - from the stratosphere to the ocean depths - life exists in a delicate balance. This balance is called homeostatic, and the process by
which it achieves it, is called homeostasis.
If you accept the above principle: that all systems seek homeostasis, than climate change is a sensible and scientific concept, because vehicles,
planes, trains, plastics, concrete, dont create themselves, but rely on oil to make them go or make them real. I think its ridiculous for you to take
those emails about "climate doubt" as proof when the argument and the logic is crystal clear, if, and only if, you are thinking in the right
categories. If you understand scientific concepts like entropy, chaos theory, homeostasis, then what we've done to the environment is very likely to
You dont think in the proper categories. You are hung up on agenda 21, scientist emails, evil elites, and thus in a fairly constant state of arrested
It's an unfortunate part of reality and being human that such wide distances in perception can exist between people.
Far from me being a moral relativist, I think there is a right, holistic, and ecological way to see things, and a wrong, individualistic insistence -
based in ignorance - that the self is real and its interests are fundamental, way to see things. The former takes into account context - the world of
relationships - while the latter is caught in a feedback loop where ego supports views which in turn supports ego. The fact of the importance of
relationships in our thinking goes unnoticed. Meaning, the minds epistemological processes remain the same, unchanged, and continuously on guard
against becoming challenged.
I don't expect this to mean anything to you, as, like I wrote when I began this self conversation, I am just trying to explain what I'm seeing. It
will undoubtedly be irksome for you to read this, as I am essentially describing your views as wrong, and wrong because they begin at a false frame of
attention. But I can't implant my knowledge into your mind (unfortunately), so you will go on being someone with harmful views which imperil our
specie, while I will try to think responsibly, as best as I can, so that we can all live in a better and more empathic world.
ps. I do not worship or care much for the concept of gaia. Although, the idea that earth is a "living system" that seeks homeostasis seems true, and
feels true to me. Earth, if you'd like to describe it as feminine, could be called "my mother", and I could feel a sense of awe, that my life is
unfolding on a planet as it swirls through the universe. And the fact that this planet is venue of this experience, the planet is obviously important.
Still, though, metaphysically speaking, earth is just another object. It's reality is dependent upon it's position in the solar system, on the size of
the sun itself, and on the particular position it has in the galaxy which allowed for life to grow on it. So, I tend to think of God, as the ultimate
reality. On the hand, I can commiserate with others who feel a special connection with the very physical planet which supports their physical
and BTW, it doesn't matter how many times this issue has been debated. It is not going away. It is going to gain more steam and it will likely become
a major talking point by the democrats in the next general election. And as well it should be.
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