Florida Teacher Banned Bible from 'Free Reading' Time in Classroom

a reply to: burntheships

Lol at the bible behing an historical book, i dont have an issue with kids reading the bible in school, the same as comic books.

If comic books are not allowed in school then the bible shouldent be allowed

a reply to: xuenchen

I listen to that voicemail and all I can see/hear is Cartman screaming "Respect My Authoritiiii". It sounded like she got pissed all over again when she said the child told her that he didn't have to put it away when she asked him to.



Some people obviously have too much time on their hands. There are so many more things to get angry about these days.... It just seems like this shouldn't be one of them IMO. She made it a bigger deal than it would have been. I don't think any of the students were complaining because he was reading the bible. Most of them probably didn't even notice until she went above and beyond to point it out.

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: xuenchen

The Father has retained the Liberty Institute to figure out why this teacher and possibly the entire school system there is against the 1st Amendment.

If he can afford to do that, why is he sending his kid to a public school anyway?

Just sayin'. Maybe they're doing pro bono work, who knows. I didn't dig that deep to find out, but I have a nagging suspicion he sent his kid to school with a copy of the Bible with the intention of provoking a response.

Not to condone the deplorable actions of the teacher and/or administration, but one should always question the motivation of people involved in lighting up tinderbox issues.

Especially when children are involved. Many parents are shameless bastards, and will use their children for all manner of self-serving reasons.

Interesting theory, but that still does not excuse the teacher, especially if the Bible was not "blacklisted" by the school board.

This appears to be a single unilateral decision by an intolerant teacher.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Like I said before I think a lot of times the bible gets a pass simply because it has the title of the bible.

Hmmm.

How do you explain the Bible being read in Christian schools and in Churches ?

I always wonder why this stuff becomes news. If the parents would just go to the school and tell her to stfu then the lady would probably stfu and it would be no issue. You would be surprised how far making a scene will go with teachers, especially when they are wrong, the schools usually try to avoid lawsuits. So they apologize and carry on. They only get away with what they can.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: xuenchen

At face value, I agree that the teacher is in the wrong. However, I am certain that Breitbart isn't giving us the whole story. Maybe he was reading out loud, praying or reciting religious rhetoric and/or otherwise disturbing the class.

Maybe "free reading" period isn't really "free" but the children must read from a predetermined list of books. There's always two sides to a story, and so far I've only heard one side.

Well here's a link to the Liberty Institute that explains their side....

See anything missing ?

And did you listen to the voicemail here

Hope this helps.

No, it doesn't help. First of all, Liberty Institute can't speak for Park Lakes Elementary School, Broward County Public Schools or the teacher. This isn't the other side of the story, it's the same side of the story as Breitbart's narrative.

Secondly,

“Good morning Mr. Rubeo, Mrs. Thomas. Uh. Uh. Giovanni called you because I asked him to. I noticed that he has a book – a religious book – in the classroom. He’s not permitted to read those books in my classroom. He said, if I told him to put it away you s-- … you said not to do that. So, please give me a call, I need to have some understanding on direction to him about the book he’s reading as opposed to the curriculum for public school. Mrs. S. Thomas. Thank you. Have a wonderful day. Bye-bye.”

Sounds to me like the child was supposed to be reading from a predetermined curriculum, and that no religious books of any kind were allowed.

Like I said, I have only heard one side of the story so far.

a reply to: xuenchen

And those crazy pictures you posted might make some people think they're actually from the Bible LOL.

Of course those pictures aren't from the bible but the stories are. I know its small print, but each one is referenced to where they can be found "in the bible".

As far as your suspicion that you must be in favor of unilateral decisions I don't think I am but as soon as I am certain I will post my opinion openly on it.

I really think this is a worthwhile subject because as I said I think there may be an issue here as far as the type of literature content that is acceptable whether it is under fiction, religion, or history. I find it ironic we censor R and X rated movies from children but say its oK to read about the same subject matter.

But then again I think certain things get a pass because....well I have already said it a few times. You know.

a reply to: xuenchen

How do you explain the bible being read in cults?

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: xuenchen

How do you explain the bible being read in cults?

You first.

Me second.



[ the air is leaking from the balloon ]

a reply to: xuenchen

Well I posed the question which is the answer.

It is read in churches, cults, and Christian schools for the same exact reasons. To be truthful there isn't much of anything separating those things.

Maybe you disagree.

a reply to: Grimpachi

Again, so its only ok if it is "taught" by the teachers?

Would your "accross the board" objection apply if it is "taught" ?
That would be especially interesting with the common core curriculum,
that is if you are really concerned about "content" and its appropriateness.

a reply to: burntheships

Again, so its only ok if it is "taught" by the teachers?

Is it?

Personally I think some things should be age appropriate regardless of who or if a teacher was teaching it. I sure as hell wouldn't approve of a fifth grade teacher having a class that talked about the murder of innocent women and children. To be honest I don't believe children should be exposed to that even if it was historical.

Maybe you disagree.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: xuenchen

I listen to that voicemail and all I can see/hear is Cartman screaming "Respect My Authoritiiii". It sounded like she got pissed all over again when she said the child told her that he didn't have to put it away when she asked him to.

Yes ...you nailed it. Talking about nails on a chalkboard....ouch!

The more I read about Common Core, the more this seems to
be the increasing norm with the teachers attitudes.

Among other problems with the controversial standards, Graf cited wildly inappropriate material, massive costs, the devastating impact on teachers and students, and more. “If you wanted to destroy public education, this is what you would do,” he said. “Teaching is a skill. Teaching is an art form. What they are doing here is turning teachers into hall monitors."

www.thenewamerican.com...

originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: Grimpachi

Again, so its only ok if it is "taught" by the teachers?

I think you would then "accorss the board" object to material
"taught", especially in the new common core curriculum,
that is if you are really concerned about "content"
and its appropriateness.

Hmmm..

that is if you are really concerned about "content" and its appropriateness.

At the risk of seeming confrontational, wouldn't that be similar to asking you if you were really concerned about the First Amendment or only as it applies to a kid reading the Bible during "free reading?"

Purely out of curiosity — would you be as outraged if it was another religion's scripture?

Let me play devil's advocate. What if it were Anton LeVay's Satanic Bible? How about Fifty Shades of Grey?

Had this kid been reading a quran, all the damn bible-to-groin gyration experts would be having a major freakin' cow over it. And all of you know this.
Let's face it, even in advanced reading programs in schools, there is a predetermined list of accepted material, or an on-site determination for those in the grey zone. I know this well, both in the advanced reading context (was in that program) and in free-reading periods. A book on military aircraft got me in trouble because it wasn't on the predetermined list, and was on-site determined to not really be teaching me anything (and technically it didn't, it was just aircraft picture porn) So you know what I did? Acted like an adult rather than throwing a teenage temper tantrum, and read the approved books in class, and read my borrowed books and my own books at home, on my own time. Big. Whoop. Like not reading a few chapters of one of Stephen King's books in class is the be all, end all to my freedom.

If you're so worried about whether or not your religious text is being read in school by your kids, let alone approved of, maybe it should be relegated to family reading time. You know, that thing parents are supposed to do to make sure their kids are exposed to the materials they prefer. If you're not ensuring or encouraging what reading materials you want your kids to read at home, you A.) have no right to complain about school-approved this/that/the other, and B.) should buck the hell up & get crackin'.

a reply to: burntheships

They want naught but blind obedience. Truly. I think the fact that some students have a mind of their own bothers folks. It used to be a trait that was praised. Now it is considered a trait that needs to be beaten out of anyone who exhibits it by any means necessary IMO.

Common Core is a hot button issue for me as well. My daughter is in the 10th grade and I hope against hope that she will make it through the next two years relatively unscathed.

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
a reply to: burntheships



They want naught but blind obedience. Truly. I think the fact that some students have a mind of their own bothers folks. It used to be a trait that was praised. Now it is considered a trait that needs to be beaten out of anyone who exhibits it by any means necessary IMO.

Yep....

Obey.
Period.


And inappropriate is only ok if it is "taught" by a teacher.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hope you and yours can weather it out.

maybe friedrich nietzche would be better.

isn't his house a store that sells bibles?

a reply to: theantediluvian

I am dismayed when any religious freedom is impinged, and where ever it happens, and whom so ever provides the source of oppression. It should not even be a possibility in this day and age, in a developed nation. When and where it DOES happen, there should be very uncompromising consequences. In this instance, and the one you mention, the teachers should loose their jobs, immediately, with no possibility of legal challenge.

Kids must only ever be taught that religious freedom is paramount to a free society, and must never be given the impression that this is little more than a platitude, that infractions against religious freedom will be met with anything but the sternest rebuff.

Teachers should be an example to the kids they teach, but not an example of how to be a mindless bigot!