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originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: DeepImpactX
deterrence does work. the death penalty quickly applied,
either as a result of years long legal proceedings or
within seconds at the end of a gun by a homeowner
did in fact stop the dead criminal from doing any more crimes.
do you think that Gacy or Dahmer would have stopped on their own?
originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: 3u40r15m
the boys had been criminals for several years.
one aged 17 the other 14.
they broke the law. they are no different that the
two teenagers killed in a car wreck for driving too fast.
originally posted by: [post=17891699]Aazadan
Yet, the countries without the death penalty and the lightest punishments have the lowest rates of crime.
originally posted by: 3u40r15m
And two teenagers dying in a car wreck is sad too. Some people get lives taken too soon for nonsense. A 14 year old shouldn't be lying in a casket over this "criminal record" or not.. Makes no difference to me
originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: Aazadan
there are some situations that can only be
stopped with the application of deadly force.
originally posted by: Aazadan
originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: Aazadan
there are some situations that can only be
stopped with the application of deadly force.
So again the question is, which crimes do you believe should carry the death penalty? If you kill someone, that's administering the death penalty and doing so outside of the court. Sometimes that's unavoidable when defending yourself, but not always.
I'm all for self defense, but hoping the outcome is a dead criminal and doing your best to ensure they don't make it to trial to me not just seems sick but that it puts you on the same level as them. This attitude is also what drives our more and more draconian police attitudes. They're just a reflection of society itself. If you don't support police actions like random roadside beatings, executions on the beach for accused thiefs, and extortion with asset forfeiture I don't see how you can possibly condone your own actions to go outside the justice system.
Lets try this another way. They enter your home to steal your Xbox which is worth what, $150? Obviously he deserves to die. How about the guy who makes a couple of webpages and online billing in order to launder $15,000? It's remarkably easy to do. He's stealing about 25x as much after the taxes he's circumventing. Do you feel you have the right to shoot him too? They're both felonies and they're both theft.
How about one where you come into closer contact. Someone sits in the cafe in the mall with a device that spoofs cell phone tower signals, and uses it to record all of the information on your phone. Then sells said information to credit card thieves. Does that person also deserve death? Or is it merely a matter of someone entering your home uninvited? In which case you feel justified in shooting a prowler?
originally posted by: spirited75
a reply to: Aazadan
person crimes, property crimes all can
lead to the death of the criminal.
the legal definition to justify self defense is
"The victim felt like they were facing serious bodily injury or death"
as long as the recipient of criminal actions can articulate they felt ... bodily injury/death"
then lethal means employed to stop the fear are legal and justified.
that is my list.
originally posted by: spirited75
lets say your sister, or wife, or daughter has been raped by one of the criminals and the second criminal is readying for his turn. the rapists are fifteen years old.
you are present and are expected to watch, expected by the two criminals.
they are unarmed. you can reach a loaded pistol and not be stopped by either of the two criminals.
what are you going to do?
get the gun and point it at them and wait till the police get there.
then you and your loved one can go through the trial
shoot them in a fatal location so they are both dead within seconds.
shoot them in the leg. so you and your loved one can go through the trial.
if you shoot them in leg or just hold gun on them till police get
there then they will be out on bond as soon as they get a lawyer.
so now you and your loved one get to be afraid of retaliation.
my dad used to tell me that a .22 nine shot pistol was what to have for home defense, with first two chambers loaded with bird shot. someone breaks in---first shot to legs. second shot to face. third to ninth shot are .22 rounds.
after i got married and had my own kids i told my dad i had revised his home defense plans.
have cocked, locked and loaded M1911A1 at bed side table. 8 rounds in magazine one in chamber.
in the event someone breaks in , shoot eight times into intruder. shoot ninth round into ceiling. call police.
tell police warning shot fired into ceiling. did not stop intruder so remaining eight shots stopped intruder.
originally posted by: spirited75
the fewer witnesses there are the less it costs.
i would abhor being sued for excessive use of force.
originally posted by: spirited75
wow you finally understand.
i load my self defense weapons with
highly lethal one shot one kill rounds.