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U.S. Supreme Court Ruling: Atheists Lose...Again.

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posted on May, 6 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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If I were living in America, my biggest concern wouldn't be about who gets to practice what religion or how.

It's the people who MAKE the laws and rules who adhere to religion which then shapes the laws or political ideologies they propagate.

As an atheist, I wouldn't want a lawmaker or politician making up new laws and legislation based on their interpretation of some outdated, made up belief system that i do not adhere to.

What if said politicians decided all porn should be banned because it doesn't follow the tenants and morals of their faith? Or alcohol should be outlawed? Or freedom to NOT choose region?

That's the sort of thing I'd be most worried about. People making up laws using an archaic belief system I do not believe in.




posted on May, 6 2014 @ 07:28 PM
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To BELIEVE in nothing is still believing. You don't know there is nothing so you believe. Just like those who believe in God have faith there is one.

Atheism is a belief and is a religion. So the judge aloud them to practice their own religion they should be grateful.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 08:08 PM
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I only have a few problems with religion in politics and in general practice.

1. The restriction of scientific advancements. I can't stand it when the religious get up in arms about "playing god".
2. Selected Insanity. We have all heard the news stories about the mother killing her children and claiming god told her to do it. She ends up in jail or in a psych ward. Yet it's ok to believe that god told abraham to kill his son isaac. There is no proof that god didn't tell her to kill her children. It's just plain hypocrisy.
3. Constant recruitment. If people wanted to believe in your fairy tales they would come to you, quick knocking on my door.
4. And the big one, Inconsistency. By biblical logic god creates everyone. He knows exactly what you will do with your life. Yet he punishes you for doing exactly what you are programmed to do? And lets be honest, if you create something, design it, you know exactly what you have designed it to do. You could even give it the illusion of free will. But you know exactly what your creation will do. So why would you punish it for doing what you programmed it to do? You will punish gays for being gay, punish those that follow other gods(why did you program them to even think about other gods?), you will tell your creations not to kill each other, yet then tell them to kill anyone who is different.

And those are just a few reasons why I have a problem with religion.



posted on May, 6 2014 @ 11:33 PM
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There are no atheist federal politicians. We know this because they admit to believing. And a politician would never lie, right? Lying is probably forbidden by the bible too. As if that matters hah keep voting for the atheist politicians sheep. Atheism wins always.

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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 02:33 AM
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a reply to: mattsawaufo

probably true
i very seriously doubt that most of the politicians in the united states really believe in their claimed religion
religion has and always will be for the proletariat
for the unwashed masses whos only purpose in life is to work, be taxed by the land owner, wage war when the king calls, and pop out more babies to do more work and wage more war for the aristocracy

you needed educated peoples to lead the society in any kind of real capacity
and so you get the social constructs you still see today ....a chosen few raised and educated from birth to lead
and a surplus of rubes who dont have time to be educated or make decisions

now....the leader cant take a several months to teach the general populace from start to finish how something works or why a particular decision needs to be made..... these are complicated and nuanced issues..... the leader needs a quick concise way of convincing the populace of why a decision needs to be made ....and so you have god

so
leader:dont eat the pigs they have parasites and disease
people: what is parasites? what is disease?
leader: well parasites are creatures that feed off of other creatures to survive...and disease is well....
......4 months later the leader has finally explained why its not good to eat the pigs .....meanwhile half the populace is dead from eating bad meat

this becomes
leader: god says dont eat the pigs
people: oh! of course not! no problem here!


much in the way a parent will reply to a complex question from a child knowing full well they couldnt pay attention to or comprehend the answer


doesnt really mean atheism "wins" though
after all were still stuck with this relic of the past that has proven itself time and again to be detrimental to the development of the world
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 03:02 AM
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originally posted by: fuzzy0087
I only have a few problems with religion in politics and in general practice.

1. The restriction of scientific advancements. I can't stand it when the religious get up in arms about "playing god".
2. Selected Insanity. We have all heard the news stories about the mother killing her children and claiming god told her to do it. She ends up in jail or in a psych ward. Yet it's ok to believe that god told abraham to kill his son isaac. There is no proof that god didn't tell her to kill her children. It's just plain hypocrisy.
3. Constant recruitment. If people wanted to believe in your fairy tales they would come to you, quick knocking on my door.
4. And the big one, Inconsistency. By biblical logic god creates everyone. He knows exactly what you will do with your life. Yet he punishes you for doing exactly what you are programmed to do? And lets be honest, if you create something, design it, you know exactly what you have designed it to do. You could even give it the illusion of free will. But you know exactly what your creation will do. So why would you punish it for doing what you programmed it to do? You will punish gays for being gay, punish those that follow other gods(why did you program them to even think about other gods?), you will tell your creations not to kill each other, yet then tell them to kill anyone who is different.

And those are just a few reasons why I have a problem with religion.


1; there are medical ethics, imposed on themselves.

2; an angel stopped abraham from killing.

3; bummer. people still do that?

4; no one is programmed except atheists. who is punishing gays? lots of people don't like that lifestyle.
and come back to the present. why quote or refer to the OT?
you really think christians today do that?

atheists seem to be more entrenched with bronze age sheep herders than believers.
read the NT.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: tsingtao

originally posted by: fuzzy0087
I only have a few problems with religion in politics and in general practice.

1. The restriction of scientific advancements. I can't stand it when the religious get up in arms about "playing god".
2. Selected Insanity. We have all heard the news stories about the mother killing her children and claiming god told her to do it. She ends up in jail or in a psych ward. Yet it's ok to believe that god told abraham to kill his son isaac. There is no proof that god didn't tell her to kill her children. It's just plain hypocrisy.
3. Constant recruitment. If people wanted to believe in your fairy tales they would come to you, quick knocking on my door.
4. And the big one, Inconsistency. By biblical logic god creates everyone. He knows exactly what you will do with your life. Yet he punishes you for doing exactly what you are programmed to do? And lets be honest, if you create something, design it, you know exactly what you have designed it to do. You could even give it the illusion of free will. But you know exactly what your creation will do. So why would you punish it for doing what you programmed it to do? You will punish gays for being gay, punish those that follow other gods(why did you program them to even think about other gods?), you will tell your creations not to kill each other, yet then tell them to kill anyone who is different.

And those are just a few reasons why I have a problem with religion.


1; there are medical ethics, imposed on themselves.

2; an angel stopped abraham from killing.

3; bummer. people still do that?

4; no one is programmed except atheists. who is punishing gays? lots of people don't like that lifestyle.
and come back to the present. why quote or refer to the OT?
you really think christians today do that?

atheists seem to be more entrenched with bronze age sheep herders than believers.
read the NT.


your religion was birthed from those "bronze age sheep herders"
and im not quite sure who youre referring to as believers.... (do you mean beliebers maybe?)
why do you suppose it is the ot is considered part of the bible?

am i to infer from this you have some kind of issue with the old testimate?
sorry if im reading that wrong just seems like your saying theres something inherently wrong with the ot

i can see your point though it would be much more convenient for you if the two were completely unrelated
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 03:28 AM
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Separation of Church and State is a lie by the libs, anti-Christ folks. The founding Fathers never said this. They
made it clear the state cannot interfere with a person's worship of God. Godless people twist, it is so sad for them,
how can they go on? Human respect is worthless, look to HIm, it is God who loved us first, He created us.

Beloved Benjamin Franklin:

Using the colonial term for the hand of God, “Providence,” Franklin here testifies to his belief that God’s hand was ever active in the birth of our nation:

“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 03:48 AM
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Dont feel bad... te supreme court ruled in favor of slavery multiple times. as a non-theist id say just start saying the pledge of allegience as soon as they want their gay moment of silence for prayer... a reply to: beezzer



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: bitsforbytes

If we're going to get in to semantics, I do not "BELIEVE in nothing".

I do not believe in a god, I have a lack of belief, it is a completely different thing.

Atheism is not a belief, it is the lack of belief of a deity.

A more accurate statement would be: I am an atheist who is apathetic towards the concept of "nothing".



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:24 AM
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originally posted by: bitsforbytes
To BELIEVE in nothing is still believing. You don't know there is nothing so you believe. Just like those who believe in God have faith there is one.

Atheism is a belief and is a religion. So the judge aloud them to practice their own religion they should be grateful.


Well said. Atheism, as a belief system, is in and of itself a "faith" and "religion".



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: Truth_Hz
a reply to: bitsforbytes

If we're going to get in to semantics, I do not "BELIEVE in nothing".

I do not believe in a god, I have a lack of belief, it is a completely different thing.

Atheism is not a belief, it is the lack of belief of a deity.

A more accurate statement would be: I am an atheist who is apathetic towards the concept of "nothing".


A belief, whether it is based in either "something", or based in "nothing", is still a belief. In other words, Atheists put their faith in either "man"...or Nothing.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: rickynews

No they do not they tend to put more faith in humanity and themselves instead of a God.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:33 AM
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originally posted by: colbe
Separation of Church and State is a lie by the libs, anti-Christ folks. The founding Fathers never said this. They
made it clear the state cannot interfere with a person's worship of God. Godless people twist, it is so sad for them,
how can they go on? Human respect is worthless, look to HIm, it is God who loved us first, He created us.

Beloved Benjamin Franklin:

Using the colonial term for the hand of God, “Providence,” Franklin here testifies to his belief that God’s hand was ever active in the birth of our nation:

“The longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?”


It's bordering on the ridiculous when liberals and atheists oftentimes rant and harp about "freedoms" and "free choice" and "do what thou wilt", and "tolerance" yet when it comes to something as simple - and as harmless - as saying a prayer, then somehow it becomes "offensive" and "unacceptable" in American society.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: rickynews

No they do not they tend to put more faith in humanity and themselves instead of a God.


That is true, yet how many times have we seen, in World history, when men put their faith in either themselves or somebody else, the irreparable damage they have caused and inflicted on the tens of millions of people...Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Germany immediately come to mind.

If you question that such insanity is able to brain wash the mass population, which has been and can be accomplished by a single man, and those who put their faith in "men", then you may want to check out this video.


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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 07:49 AM
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originally posted by: Daedalus
a reply to: Meee32

either that, or maybe LOL....because it didn't really have anything to do with what he said it did...the title was misleading, and was really nothing more that religious baiting...

he obviously hates anyone who doesn't think like him, and will take any excuse he can get, to argue with, and belittle them, for having the gaul to think differently from him.


You are wrong. I do not hate anybody, and I do respect other people offering their points of view, even if I find myself disagreeing with their POV or perspective. Please do not falsely accuse me or others, or attempt to make anything said in this thread to be interpreted as personal, as it is not.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 08:03 AM
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Well as the lawsuit went through and the Supreme Court has spoken and ruled. Now what the losers can do is the following: Either deal with it or come up with a sensible plan.

Personally if I was the one who lost, I would turn around and make sure to get every religious affiliation that I could, that normally does not get involved, involved. After all if they can get every denomination and religious affiliation to flood with request to do the prayer, especially those that they do not like. And if they refuse, then claim discrimination, that the supreme court would then have to back those making that claim. It would force that city council to re-evaluate their position.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: rickynews

He was a theist..not an atheist so your argument is flawed.



posted on May, 7 2014 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: rickynews

He was a theist..not an atheist so your argument is flawed.


The point is that Hitler was successful in brain washing the mass population of Nazi Germany, because said mass population put their faith in a man, and not in God. History is our best teacher, and those who would otherwise deny historical facts and reality, are destined to repeat it.
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posted on May, 7 2014 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: rickynews

But it is men who have been pushing God onto others also...same thing different method.
History has taught me Religion is the number one cause of strife in the world.
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