The Liberal Leftists Illuminati - "Taking a look inside the secret leftist billionaires club"

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

You're really going to keep on insisting on telling me what I believe? If you need someone to attach me to, try Noam Chomsky (Libertarian Socialist) not Karl Marx (Communist). He's one of the guys that sued Obama over the NDAA... how authoritarian, clearly an Illuminati agent.

Keep crying about me condemning your source material while you throw personal attacks.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Okay ... I honestly do not understand what you're talking about.

You feel like an observation that your sources have no reliable backup sources ... is ridiculing your post?

Sorry, no. I'm not buying into that ploy. I have not ridiculed you nor your ideas.

I don't care to chase down the rabbit-holes of other threads of associated material.

You're making claims. I asked you why anyone would believe those claims. Pointing to websites that support what you're claiming ... what is that supposed to prove? There are websites that prove that ghosts are real.

I asked you, without references to primary sources, why a person would accept this material.

Is the answer just that we should believe it or take it on faith?

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: olaru12

Very confusing indeed, since all authoritarian and totalitarian concepts are Left Wing.

That is a delusional statement.

The further Right ya go, the less government interferences happen.

Hitler and Mussolini had very large governments, both parties were opposed by LEFT WING Communist groups. Same in Spain, the right wingers there had a very powerful government. IT is also arguable the Ronald Reagan was president of the country with the biggest government in the world during his tenure.

Fascism is Left Wing.

Yes, if it is opposite day, or if you are mentally deficient

a reply to: Kali74

Why should I believe anything they say? They're heavily invested in the current world order or paradigm as most people like to call it.

So you believe there is a current World Order functioning, just not a new one coming? Well, what makes you think the current World Order isn't the NWO already in place and functioning? Agenda 21 is part of that and it is in place to a certain degree, but is a work in progress. Maybe it is just in how we perceive things.

a reply to: spurgeonatorsrevenge

Perhaps you can comment on some points in this article;

Fascism is a totalitarian movement wherein an omnipotent government asserts control over every nook and cranny of political, economic, social, and private life..............

The economics of fascism are collectivist, socialist and redistributionist – supremely hostile to free-market capitalism and wealth inequalities. Indeed, fascism is closely related to communism in both theory and practice.

There are many similarities to Communism.

All ultra Left-Wing infighting and competition between tactical micro-managing bureaucracy.

"For profit" among administrator collectivists.

originally posted by: xuenchen
There are many similarities to Communism.

Not really. Fascism draws from many schools of thought; it was vehemently anti-homosexual; does that mean it's close to modern conservative thought in the United States?

Communism is a primarily economic idea - the goal is to distribute wealth evenly.

Fascism has, in practice, used a mixed economy.

Your link claims in its title to be "A guide to the political left." Which sounds totally unbiased, doesn't it? It's just another propaganda site.

a reply to: Greven

Homosexuality has nothing much to do with the concepts.

It's used as a tool by all political systems when politically useful,

usually, the "anti" parts get emphasized.

Communism and homosexuality

LGBT history in Russia

a reply to: Greven

I have already explained the phenomenon of fascism as a false right set up by Hegelians in their paradigm of left and right conflict within the confines of the Supreme State. Likely you overlooked it. Fascism was always socialist and socialist was always a leftist ideology, fascism and socialism are cut from the same ideology as communism and they are all authoritarian and totalitarian. Whether any of them are for or against gayness means zip. The State enforces whatever it wants to enforce. Just because conservatives tend to value traditional marriage does not make them fascist. Look at Mayor Bloomberg's control of how big a drink we can get at the local 7-11. That is totalitarian by nature. That is the Nanny State and it is left wing.
But in any case, maybe we ought to be defining this stuff rather as Statism and Liberty-minded, then we can get out of the left-right paradigm.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Homosexuality has nothing much to do with the concepts.

It's used as a tool by all political systems when politically useful

So, you admit then that it's more complicated than simply left or right - that there is more than one single axis?

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
I have already explained the phenomenon of fascism as a false right set up by Hegelians in their paradigm of left and right conflict within the confines of the Supreme State. Likely you overlooked it. Fascism was always socialist and socialist was always a leftist ideology, fascism and socialism are cut from the same ideology as communism and they are all authoritarian and totalitarian. Whether any of them are for or against gayness means zip. The State enforces whatever it wants to enforce. Just because conservatives tend to value traditional marriage does not make them fascist. Look at Mayor Bloomberg's control of how big a drink we can get at the local 7-11. That is totalitarian by nature. That is the Nanny State and it is left wing.

But in any case, maybe we ought to be defining this stuff rather as Statism and Liberty-minded, then we can get out of the left-right paradigm.

Fascism is complicated. It's more corporatist than anything - its ideals are not derived from specific schools of thought, specific bits from here and there. I discussed this a bit earlier, and I do not entirely disagree with your assessment.

I quite agree with leaving the left/right paradigm, because it's far from accurate in modern life and ideology.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I hope that clears up my position a bit.

It does, ThirdEyeofHorus, but I have to admit that your sources of choice make me uncomfortable.
FOX, prisonplanet/infowars, Tyler Durden ZeroHedge etc. are propaganda.

I just wish you'd look at other sources to find a balance, it would help calm you, I think.
If all you listen to is hysterical fear-mongering, that's all that will be in your awareness.

No offense intended. Just saying. Perhaps realize that your sources are not giving you the whole story.
I'm sorry you're so distressed (distraught).

Did a quick search to help. First try: I found this one:
Debunked: Agenda 21, ICLEI, Sovereignty, UN, Depopulation

Agenda 21 (Agenda for the 21st century) is non-binding UN resolution adopted by 178 countries at the 1992 Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil. It's an action plan, or series of recommendations and goals aimed at promoting sustainable development, reducing poverty, world hunger, pollution, and climate change.

While it is non-binding, many governments (both national and local) and institutions use agenda 21 as a useful set of goals and guidelines. At the local level, it's sometime referred to as Local Agenda 21, or LA21.

In reality the actual effects of Agenda 21 in the US over the last 22 years seem to have been almost zero. Searching for mentions of it on the internet almost entirely results in mentions from conspiracy and conservative organizations.

it goes on to give sources and quotes from hysteria-land....
and then this:

The problem is that Agenda 21 and the ICLEI have NOT ACTUALLY DONE ANYTHING. Newt is going to cut funding for something that really has no funding. Yes, there are programs that have goals that are similar to goals outlines in agenda 21, but those are programs that would exist anyway. Things like preventing pollution, suppling clean drinking water, and education in 3rd world countries.

Here's one of the biggest offenses that Newt would be addressing:

www.infowars.com...

a reply to: Kali74
I'm not making personal attacks on you. I disagree with your positions and I have that right to debate you. It is you who keep telling me I don't understand Marx's philosophy and I don't understand this or that, or I'm posting hysterical nonsense(because you disagree or maybe you don't understand it), or that I'm deslusional or some other kind of ridicule or dismissal. I have asked you to clarify some things and all you can do is ridicule in return. Try looking in the mirror some time.

In any case, I do remember that you liked Noam Chomsky and his anarchist communism. That is why I posted the bit on anarchist communism. Chomsky believes he can be communist and libertarian at the same time. I would disagree.
By the very nature of the meaning and definition of communism, communism is the subjection of the rights of the individual to the good of the collective. So where in that do you see a definition of individual liberties, as described in Libertarianism?
In Marxism, the ends justify the means, so it is entirely possible that mr. Chomsky would say anything to attract certain types of people to the communist way.

But again, I tried to stay on topic of wealthy leftist Illuminati and you just keep banging away on how great libertarian anarcho-communism is, and then you bashed me with your ridicule of my posting.
You know the old saying, "There are none so blind as those who WILL not see".

I just looked at a site where Chomsky declares that Libertarian in the US means "ultra right wing Capitalist" and in Europe they have the so called original meaning of Libertarian, which is socialism. So even in his lexicon libertarian is not synonymous with individual rights and liberties. So there you have it. Chomsky is not for individual liberties but for socialism, which denies individual liberty and rights for the sake of the common good.anarchism.pageabode.com...

For the record, I don't agree with much if not most of what is in that particular site. I think whoever wrote it is incredibly misguided. First he says that the Soviet Union was State Capitalism. I don't see where they get that when the State owned all the means of production and controlled and planned most everything centrally, they controlled the lives of the citizens and told them where they could work, where they could live, etc. I am simply amazed at the lies people put out.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Being uncomfortable is a problem.

You should (if you haven't) actually read the Agenda 21 document.

It's long and full of innuendo.

Check it out.....

Agenda 21

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Look, in your desire to minimize what I have to say, you first insist that Fox or any other conservative site is all propaganda and has nothing right to say, then you go on to post some site that supposedly debunks Agenda 21. I think that some day you will look at this and go, "oh my goodness I cant believe I said that to that person", because you will know that Agenda 21 is being implemented all over the US. Agenda 21 is real and all that stuff about how its the UN so it cant take precendence in the states applies only if our politicians and leaders would follow the Constitution and not apply it. But they don't, and even under our very noses Agenda 21 comes in stealth, into the local towns. It's called "Local Agenda 21". Check with your city and county commissioners and see if there is an ICLEI formed where you live. If there is that means Agenda 21 is being implemented there. And it also means that your source has falsehoods, whether intended or not. The guy on your site explains that Agenda 21 is only an "action plan", and seems to assume that people only implement it if they like it. And then he claims that he has debunked Agenda 21. But therein lies the rub. This is where all the sneaky stuff comes in. They use the Delphi technique to manufacture consensus and minimize the voice of dissenters and make people feel that the predetermined plan(control over resources and private property and land use) was really their idea in the first place.
But you know what, I appreciate that you don't like Fox and what not. I don't like Daily Kos or Huffington post either and I think they are chock full of Progressive Propaganda and lies. The Climate-Think Progress site is especially a tool for Agenda 21 with all their bluster about Climate Change theory.
But thanks for being civil while dismissing me.

So do you have a problem with "Activist Post"? cause I think there's some interesting stuff about agenda 21 in this blog....the person talks about "lots and lots of measurements", and sure enough, the Common Core Standards being promoted by Club of Rome elite member Bill Gates has a plan of measuring the reactions of the children.
So heres what the blogger says

This is redistribution of wealth through stealth, financed by punitive taxes to some extent, but principally through rewarding correct behaviour (doing social good; having a low carbon footprint; and being healthy and happy). This has already begun and involves awarding credits for each behaviour, and taking lots and lots of measurements; once there are enough of these credits in circulation, they will come to function as currencies. Community currencies fit in well with this scheme; Bitcoin does not. Either way, it’s us that have to pay to develop the undeveloped countries, not the Global Guvnors. We have de-growth (the Club of Rome ideology) so they can have growth.

www.activistpost.com...

and here is a discussion of high tech bracelets to be worn by teachers and students...and by the way Common Core is definitely part of the Agenda 21 plan

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has just granted Clemson University $498,055 to work with members of the Measuring Effective Teachers (MET) team to measure engagement physiologically with Galvanic Skin Response (GSR) bracelets. Students and teachers are to wear these devices to measure excitement, attention, anxiety, boredom or relaxation in order to measure teacher effectiveness. Read more…

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation gave a grant for $621,285 to the National Commission on Time & Learning to study the electronic bracelet and functional MRI’s for children. Functional magnetic resonance imaging, or fMRI, is a technique for measuring brain activity. It works by detecting the changes in blood oxygenation and flow that occur in response to neural activity. It is non-invasive, safe for the subject and easy for the experimenter to use making it a popular tool for imaging normal brain function – especially for psychologists.

www.utahnsagainstcommoncore.com...

So this is part of the green and sustainable world envisioned by Totalitarians

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I think that some day you will look at this and go, "oh my goodness I cant believe I said that to that person", because you will know that that site supposedly debunking Agenda 21 was full of lies and half truths to support the Progressive agenda. I'm sorry but that is what I have to say about that.

Fair enough.
And I think you will do the same and realize that the ultra-right-wing is what it is; Alex Jones, Tyler Durden, FOX, Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity et al are totally and fully spewing lies and half truths.

At least I look at both sides and try to be reasonable, so I don't fall for any of their spewing.


But again: fair enough, sir/ma'am. And that is what I have to say about that.

a reply to: xuenchen

You should (if you haven't) actually read the Agenda 21 document.

I have read it. And the discomfort that you and ThirdEyeofHorus display with your posts is far more intense than anything I feel.


But thanks for the tip.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

By the way, do you really think Alex Jones is propaganda? He is one of the only ones exposing the NWO in a very explicit way. I'm sorry you do not like his site. I don't remember posting anything from Rush, at least not on this thread anyway. Maybe you just pulled that out of your need to make me look foolish or ultra right wing or something. Whatever. I have posted my dislike for the Bush family agenda so please try not to put me too much in a box.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Are you really trying to look at both sides? It looks like you took the side of debunking Agenda 21 to me. I don't think you are willing to look at it. Would you like to prove me wrong?
I sincerely apologize if you find my postings on Agenda 21 uncomfortable and intense. Yes I am very uncomfortable with Agenda 21 and I have been very activist. I have been to the local school and spoken with the county superintendant and also the curriculum director here, there were 5 of us there and we were stonewalled. We know that the governor or our state signed on to Common Core and it is just a matter of time before we see it being implemented. I know that Agenda 21 is being implemented here in this county. I have been to the planning meetings where Delphi was used. In fact the facilitator specifically said at the beginning that one of the goals that night was to "build a consensus". The second meeting I attended he left that part out and was noticeably nervous by my presence as I had challenged him at the first meeting.

But maybe I am just not that good at explaining Agenda 21. I think Rosa Koire, a liberal Democrat does it much better.

www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com...

The United Nations Agenda: Fact, Fiction & Conspiracy Theories

The latest conspiracy theory picking up steam is about the UN’s Agenda 21. Fueled by a Glenn Beck show last summer, a Republican National Committee resolution in January, comments by a few candidates for president, and media coverage of local government actions, the topic of Agenda 21’s purpose and reach is percolating. Agenda 21 is an easy target for UN naysayers and isolationists since most people have never heard of it, let alone know the nature of the document. Why should they? It’s an obscure document that’s 20 years old!

Let’s get some facts straight:

Fact: Agenda 21 was a document adopted unanimously by 178 countries – including the U.S. represented by George H.W. Bush – at the 1992 United Nations Conference on Environment and Development in Rio de Janeiro (also known as the Earth Summit). Agenda 21 reflects a broad international consensus that worsening poverty and growing stresses on the environment require greater integration between environmental and development concerns.

Fact: Agenda 21 is not a treaty and is not legally binding. Agenda 21 has no legal authority or precedent over a local U.S. jurisdiction or over a citizen. It is a blueprint or vision for development that simultaneously promotes economic growth, improved quality of life, and environmental protection. The conservative Heritage Foundation concurs that this is a nonbinding document.

Fact: Agenda 21 does not call for the elimination of private property ownership, single-family homes, private car ownership, individual travel choices, or family farms. It is fully consistent with personal freedoms and the rights of citizens to own property, homes, cars, and farms.

Fact: Agenda 21 does not take supremacy over U.S. law. National governments are in charge of their own development.

Much more in the article there, but I suppose you will all claim it's lies and half-truths.

Chillax, folks.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

By the way, do you really think Alex Jones is propaganda?

Yes, I really do. I fell for his ranting for a little while, but then I looked further into his history, stance, and sources. No question in my mind now.

How am I supposed to prove this to you? I look at both sides. I read both sides. Every bloody day.

a reply to: rickynews

People forget that Hitler was a vegetarian, ultra naturalist, new ager, and an extreme enemy of traditional values.

That little tit bit always gets overlooked.

Its a hard pill to swallow. I had a hard time. I used to be a die hard bleeding heart liberal...until history and self education lead me to find that all my stances on issues were in line with what Hitler envisioned for society. I also realized that none of them were really my own. I was a victim of extreme social programming.

You have to be a honest person to judge yourself. You have to be brave to challenge what you are. You have to love yourself enough to fight for your mind, even if it is unpopular or even causes you problems. Being a New Yorker with ultra liberal sisters...It was for me. It was also very rewarding on a personal level. I found myself doing more good than I ever did as an idealist /progressive ACTOR.

Just be honest with yourself. Stop the act. Your heads arent full of your own ideas.

Liberal /progressive mentalities are a product of assimilation. You go to the sources you are familiar with so as to "fill er up"...when disconnected from them, you gravitate towards your natural center.

Just shut it off. See for yourself.

EDIT TO ADD:
Not that the ultra right cant be used for the same purposes. It is just not as productive and the hold is not permanent. Also the blowback is much more real to the handlers.

Any extreme is retarded. No one is like that naturally. It goes against human nature.ç