The Liberal Leftists Illuminati - "Taking a look inside the secret leftist billionaires club"

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: rickynews

While both (main ideologies) have their faults, it's funny to see the absolute denial from those with an ideology that embraces more government control.

Which one would that be? Both sides have passed laws that restrict our freedoms. Even though the left extended it you have to give credit to the right for passing the patriot act which essentially turned our nation into a police state.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: rickynews

While both (main ideologies) have their faults, it's funny to see the absolute denial from those with an ideology that embraces more government control.

Which one would that be? Both sides have passed laws that restrict our freedoms. Even though the left extended it you have to give credit to the right for passing the patriot act which essentially turned our nation into a police state.

Can't really come up with a rebuttal for that one.

You're right.

originally posted by: Kali74
*cough*

By true definitions:

Who the hell puts any kind of communist in the libertarian category? And collectivists aren't exactly known for their libertarian ways either.

a reply to: rickynews

we must be nearing an election. I can tell from all the political backstabbing.

Nothing like the issues anymore aye?

a reply to: BrianFlanders

There's more than one form of Communism. Collectivists can easily be libertarian.

Anarchist communism[1] (also known as anarcho-communism, free communism, libertarian communism,[2][3][4][5][6] and communist anarchism[7][8]) is a theory of anarchism which advocates the abolition of the state, capitalism, wages and private property (while retaining respect for personal property),[9] and in favor of common ownership of the means of production,[10][11] direct democracy, and a horizontal network of voluntary associations and workers' councils with production and consumption based on the guiding principle: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need".[12][13]

Some forms of anarchist communism such as insurrectionary anarchism are strongly influenced by egoism and radical individualism, believing anarcho-communism is the best social system for the realization of individual freedom.[14][15][16][17] Some anarcho-communists view anarcho-communism as a way of reconciling the opposition between the individual and society.[18][19][20][21][22]

Anarcho-communism developed out of radical socialist currents after the French Revolution[23][24] but was first formulated as such in the Italian section of the First International.[25] The theoretical work of Peter Kropotkin took importance later as it expanded and developed pro-organizationalist and insurrectionary anti-organizationalist sections.[26]

To date, the best-known examples of an anarchist communist society (i.e., established around the ideas as they exist today and achieving worldwide attention and knowledge in the historical canon), are the anarchist territories during the Spanish Revolution[27] and the Free Territory during the Russian Revolution. Through the efforts and influence of the Spanish Anarchists during the Spanish Revolution within the Spanish Civil War, starting in 1936 anarchist communism existed in most of Aragon, parts of the Levante and Andalusia, as well as in the stronghold of Anarchist Catalonia before being crushed by the combined forces of the regime that won the war, Hitler, Mussolini, Spanish Communist Party repression (backed by the USSR) as well as economic and armaments blockades from the capitalist countries and the Second Spanish Republic itself.[28] During the Russian Revolution, anarchists such as Nestor Makhno worked to create and defend—through the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine—anarchist communism in the Free Territory of the Ukraine from 1919 before being conquered by the Bolsheviks in 1921.

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originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: BrianFlanders

There's more than one form of Communism. Collectivists can easily be libertarian.

I disagree. I have met lots of people who claim they are "different kinds of communists" and none of them were what I'd libertarians. Despite the fact that they tried to present themselves as such. Think of people like Bill Maher. Remember when this little dirtbag used to call himself a libertarian? It should have been fairly obvious, since he was on HBO. It is now perfectly clear that this man has never been a libertarian.

Every self-avowed communist I have ever met was more authoritarian than anything else.

If there is one thing I have learned about communists/socialists/collectivists is that they like ambiguity. They like to claim this person or that person wasn't a real communist or that people don't understand what communism. Or whatever.

What I have found is that if you talk to them at length, they're all the same and if they get their way, they will all converge on the same focal point and at that time, there will be no question what they're about.

Really, I believe this "political compass" nonsense is all about confusing people and sabotaging movements like libertarianism. When/if it gains enough momentum, the "progressives" especially will find themselves losing ground that they have spent a lot of time and effort claiming.

a reply to: BrianFlanders

What I have found is that if you talk to them at length, they're all the same and if they get their way, they will all converge on the same focal point and at that time, there will be no question what they're about.

Do tell.

This article is for the common people. Smart ones know the elite isn't, has never been and never will be left or right, Jewish or christian, black or white. They believe in money only and are therefore - Elite. We know nothing about them, except if you join their ranks.

Personally, this kind of thing happens in any political climate (it's in any political party) that's not reigned in by the people who vote these people into office. We left them unchecked, and they've run amok.

By allowing career politicians, groups like this are created (by the self-appointed elite) to try and 'cheat' the system by changing it legally 'just enough' (legal or not) to fit their agendas, not the agenda that they are supposed to be caring for and acting on the citizens liberties, rights and interests.

I believe we as a Country, as Americans are at the point where we don't need, nor should want politicians any longer, we need and should want statesmen.

True statesmen truly serve the people whom they represent; politicians on the other hand exploit the people they supposedly represent to cater to their own interests. True statesmen command nobility, respect and use power to aid those whom they represent. Politicians demand nobility, respect and abuses power to exploit those whom they claim to represent. The difference between commanding and demanding are massive in regards to respect and true power.

Successful solutions are based on the principle that resolution happens by fostering the positive, not by attacking the negative. Anyone can point out a problem, it takes a bit more thought and true understanding to truly look for a solution.

The solution I believe (loosely said here) should be an overhaul of how long of a term and how many any one person can hold any political office, to end career politicians who are mainly into it for the prestige of title, money and power. Instead, by reigning in through term limits and 'average pay' - we will get people in there who care about you, me, our friends, families and actually do the job and uphold their oaths of office...the results would be both positive and would be a true win for the individual, states and the country as a whole.

What are your thoughts all?

originally posted by: Exitt
This article is for the common people. Smart ones know the elite isn't, has never been and never will be left or right, Jewish or christian, black or white. They believe in money only and are therefore - Elite. We know nothing about them, except if you join their ranks.

Yet, time and time again, we only hear that Republicans or Conservatives are the so-called Illuminati...

a reply to: rickynews

What better way to deflect from their own dark doings than to project it all on to their opposition. They use dark money so they accuse the Right of doing it. What's new.

But truly, a classic example of how this works is the 04 election cycle where we had the two frontrunners, one from the Democrat side and one from the Republican, and they were both Yale members of Skull and Bones.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Very confusing indeed, since all authoritarian and totalitarian concepts are Left Wing.

The further Right ya go, the less government interferences happen.

Fascism is Left Wing.

I can't believe how many people star'd this ignorant post.

It's simply not true at all, obvious to anyone who has studied political science. There are not TWO SIDES to political alignment. There are at LEAST 4, as Kali74 noted (and potentially more, as a quick reference.

Well-known ones include Conservative (economic, east) opposite Liberal (economic, west), and Authoritarian (social, north) opposite Libertarian (social, south). Liberals outside the U.S. would laugh at how Conservative *our* 'Liberals' are here.

originally posted by: rickynews

originally posted by: Exitt
This article is for the common people. Smart ones know the elite isn't, has never been and never will be left or right, Jewish or christian, black or white. They believe in money only and are therefore - Elite. We know nothing about them, except if you join their ranks.

Yet, time and time again, we only hear that Republicans or Conservatives are the so-called Illuminati...

Where do "we" hear that from? Backup? Sources? Quotes?

a reply to: Greven

This might help you understand in simpler terms.

All big money systems are Left Wing.

The ones "denying" are the Left Wing supporters of course.

a reply to: xuenchen

What's your "source" for this, er, chart? Xuenchen? Did you draw it up just for your post?

Basic history and political theory from consensus reality suggest a different set of facts:

The tags "left and right" originate in the French National Assembly prior to the Revolution.

The Left supported revolution, change, progressive values. The right supported the king, order, conservative values.

The situation is infinitely more complex today. For example, both left and right wing groups can be authoritarian (Communists and Nazis).

The French division is the basic idea of the "distinction," although, only a fool would insist that everyone and everything is either one or the other.

In short, your chart is crap, politically and historically.

originally posted by: xuenchen

This might help you understand in simpler terms.

Hilarious.

I have a B.A. in Political Science (and a B.S. in Computer Science). I actually studied this stuff for four years. I don't need your simplistic and misguided ideas for how the world works.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: xuenchen

This might help you understand in simpler terms.

Hilarious.

I have a B.A. in Political Science (and a B.S. in Computer Science). I actually studied this stuff for four years. I don't need your simplistic and misguided ideas for how the world works.

... and that's another way of putting it. I was personally fascinated that Monarchy is the greatest expression of Left Wing politics.

Someone should tell Her Majesty the Queen. I am certain she would be thrilled to discover she's a Lefty.

a reply to: Gryphon66

a reply to: Greven

I knew you guys would get a kick out of that LOL

a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah. It's a riot.

Too bad it's the actual horse-puck the American right-wingers are trying to sell, these days.

Good show though.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: xuenchen

Yeah. It's a riot.

Too bad it's the actual horse-puck the American right-wingers are trying to sell, these days.

Good show though.

Genuine "Right Wingers" and individualists are not in favor of centralized government or centralized banking.

Maybe the general education system is the problem.

After all, they have caused all the major financial devastation with their precious debt based economic and social systems.

London School, Fabian economics, etc. etc. (long list of culprits)

Knowing how these outfits operate, it's easy to keep off their radar.

That's why the Left Wing has konniption fits when they get exposed.