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originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: DJW001
Why are people starring posts but not contributing to the thread? Certainly someone must approve of ethnic cleansing in Crimea?
Information is more important than the stars. I would prefer factual posting rather than a popularity contest.
It doesn't matter to you if people post facts that go against your narrative, you either ignore, distort or derail them.
incorrect -
I have to continually ask for people who make claims to post their sources so I can read it / research it.
I have used Russian / non west media sources.
I am not a fan of youtube posts that do not have any information attached placing whats seen into proper context. I also am not a fan of the fact that its possible to edit things out of those videos. Again, when something's removed it can alter the context of the video.
My biggest issues are the one line drive-byes where a significant claim is made yet the poster refuses to support it as well as useless posts whose sole intent seems to force information into a hole and bury it.
I would love to have an honest to God debate/discussion where both sides can get information / understanding of position. Instead we devolve into a round robin of insult / counter insult.
So let me ask. How can you and I fix that issue?
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I havent been able to follow the story, but ive read alot about neo nazis in ukraines new government or gangs of thugs causing trouble, is it true or propaganda, this is a serious question. Hope im not off topic.
It's true.
There are 9 NeoNazis holding top positions in Ukrainian parliament and government.
Check the list HERE
Off topic: back to ethnic cleansing in Crimea.
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I havent been able to follow the story, but ive read alot about neo nazis in ukraines new government or gangs of thugs causing trouble, is it true or propaganda, this is a serious question. Hope im not off topic.
It's true.
There are 9 NeoNazis holding top positions in Ukrainian parliament and government.
Check the list HERE
Off topic: back to ethnic cleansing in Crimea.
Can you show proof of this ethnic cleansing? Has the government gone in and killed or moved these people out of the country?
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I havent been able to follow the story, but ive read alot about neo nazis in ukraines new government or gangs of thugs causing trouble, is it true or propaganda, this is a serious question. Hope im not off topic.
It's true.
There are 9 NeoNazis holding top positions in Ukrainian parliament and government.
Check the list HERE
Off topic: back to ethnic cleansing in Crimea.
Can you show proof of this ethnic cleansing? Has the government gone in and killed or moved these people out of the country?
notevenpast.org...
originally posted by: Xcathdra
Why is Putin not a fascist for allowing this and does this now make Pro Russians supporters of the "Neo Nazi" " Fascists" as well?
fascism: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: buster2010
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: zilebeliveunknown
originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
I havent been able to follow the story, but ive read alot about neo nazis in ukraines new government or gangs of thugs causing trouble, is it true or propaganda, this is a serious question. Hope im not off topic.
It's true.
There are 9 NeoNazis holding top positions in Ukrainian parliament and government.
Check the list HERE
Off topic: back to ethnic cleansing in Crimea.
Can you show proof of this ethnic cleansing? Has the government gone in and killed or moved these people out of the country?
notevenpast.org...
Did you even bother to read either the article you posted or what I posted? The article you posted has absolutely nothing to do with the government that is in place now. Thumbs down for such a sad attempt to back up your statement.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: Xcathdra
originally posted by: DJW001
Why are people starring posts but not contributing to the thread? Certainly someone must approve of ethnic cleansing in Crimea?
Information is more important than the stars. I would prefer factual posting rather than a popularity contest.
It doesn't matter to you if people post facts that go against your narrative, you either ignore, distort or derail them.
incorrect -
I have to continually ask for people who make claims to post their sources so I can read it / research it.
I have used Russian / non west media sources.
I am not a fan of youtube posts that do not have any information attached placing whats seen into proper context. I also am not a fan of the fact that its possible to edit things out of those videos. Again, when something's removed it can alter the context of the video.
My biggest issues are the one line drive-byes where a significant claim is made yet the poster refuses to support it as well as useless posts whose sole intent seems to force information into a hole and bury it.
I would love to have an honest to God debate/discussion where both sides can get information / understanding of position. Instead we devolve into a round robin of insult / counter insult.
So let me ask. How can you and I fix that issue?
Why no... they are just showers for disinfection.
What is it going to take for people to realize just how bad Putin is and what path he is leading people back down, not down but back down.
In a televised appearance last month, Putin said he had signed a decree to rehabilitate the Crimean Tatars and other ethnic minorities on the peninsula — "all those who suffered during Stalin's repressions." The decree, published on the Kremlin website, also said it aimed to "restore historical justice and remove the consequences of the illegal deportation" and to "foster the creation and development of national-cultural autonomies."
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: sosobad
"Rehabilitate?" Sounds like he's planning on herding them into "ethnic reservations," the way the US did with Native Americans.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: sosobad
Fair points that I can work on.
As for the thread title - its not mine. The title is directly from the op source.
The only times I mess with titles is if they are to big or vague. In the first post in those instances I make it a point to notify / explain the change. As for my reason in the other - information is hard enough to go thru trying to find some elements of truth.
I have seen a number of instances where people try to portray an opinion as fact by hiding it as if it is part of the source article.
Facts are fine...
Opinions are fine...
Merging them together in hopes one will hide the other is an issue...
Its like my profession - While at work I have enough worries about watching my / other officers backs. I should not have to also watch my back once back at the station.
originally posted by: sosobad
Very true and I know why you were mad about the thread yesterday and rightly so, as for the subject at hand here I am all done, had my say and nothing more to add. I am sure we will be clashing again at some point on other threads (we seem to have very different opinions) and I, for one, am looking forward it.
originally posted by: Xcathdra
So where does it leave us? The US can stand on principle for a change and say no or we can tuck the tail between the legs and go back to the dog house and hope whatever happens does not arrive on our door step. The government in Kiev is at least elected by the people. Crimea was an armed coup.
So whatever personal feelings I may have on their action, they are Ukrainian and I am American. Who am I to tell their government how to run their own affairs? They are using their laws, which is more than I can say for Russia.
Right now Ukraine's government is the lesser of 2 evils. They have the law in their favor. They have their nationality in their favor. If the people of Ukraine decide to make a change that's on them.
If Russia is not confronted, then Crimea and Ukraine are just the start. To be honest I would rather go to war and die if it ends the possibility of seeing a death count like WWII.
originally posted by: sosobad
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: sosobad
"Rehabilitate?" Sounds like he's planning on herding them into "ethnic reservations," the way the US did with Native Americans.
Did you read any of what was said after that? Did you see rehabilitate and just focus on the word? Why does the word rehabilitate=ethnic cleansing? This is exactly the behavior Xcathdra was giving out about and the reason for my response.
"foster the creation and development of national-cultural autonomies."
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
An armed coup led by armed Crimeans... There's always a 3rd option and, as usual, it is the best option: The US can keep it's goddamned nose out of other countries' business for a change. This would not look like a tucking of the tail if it wasn't for the loudmouthed gum flapping and ridiculous, toothless threats spewing from DC towards Russia as this happened. Seriously DC, shut the hell up and butt out.
hence my position about the Ukraine constitution and my view towards the government in Kiev. However a nation has a right to ask for assistance with its being threatened from an outside entity, just as Syria did with Russia when a no fly zone was being discussed by the west.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I agree... the Crimeans are running in the course they wish to run, no business of yours, mine, or anyone else in the US.
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I fail to see how socialist nationals can constitute the lesser of evils. We have history to show us what happened the last time a socialist national party came to power over a Bolshevik inspired political movement and the results weren't pretty... but some folks simply don't learn from history so...
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
I'd rather stay the hell out of it, as it is absolutely none of our business at this time.