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Vile Christians be gone! A different view of Thanksgiving!

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 07:02 PM
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Before you hammer me, read the post and follow the link. George Washington was one of them nasty ol Christians too. In this day and age we let this crap happen, our history being yanked before our eyes. We Americans are mostly home this weekend celebrating Thanksgiving, but do you know its roots?

Well I will do one thing in protest


It is CHRISTMAS not Xmas



One would expect that in light of their recent Election Day trouncing, Democrat lefties – many of them secular humanists and disgruntled advocates of Christian abolition - might at least extend a feigned olive branch of understanding to those fanatical, pious, “born-again” Red-Stater types who were, in great part, responsible for the Democratic Party’s “inexplicable” and “unjust” defeat. One would be wrong.

In his 1789 Thanksgiving Day Proclamation, George Washington declared, in part:

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor;


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Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be…”
How about that!



In the interest of the so-called “separation of church and state” doctrine (a term found nowhere in any founding document), “educators” in Maryland have recently banned, in the context of the Thanksgiving Day holiday, children from praying to, thanking, or otherwise referring to God on school time or property.

And the harm that these children do when praying to God! Oh the Horror!

When asked about the ban, Charles Ridgell, Curriculum Director of St. Mary's County (the irony!) Public Schools opined, “We teach about Thanksgiving purely from a historical perspective, not from a religious perspective.” Bearing in mind the aforementioned historical reality, Ridgell’s statements, as well as the ban on God are, on their face, inane and incongruous.

See it is getting worse, just take God out of everything to do with the Unites States heritage. Do we require a acclamation of faith to become an American? No, so the new arrivals should dictate what the nations path should be and to hell with the Heritage?



The best way to perpetuate a lie is to remove any reference to the truth. Historical accuracy you see, would serve to demonstrate the veracity of this nation’s Judeo/Christian heritage…an inconvenient reality to an incontinent secularist movement. Therefore, in a manner reminiscent of Stalin’s Communist Soviet Union, we watch as before our very eyes, any mention of Christianity or the Founding Fathers’ Christian worldview vanishes from the history books as though penned in disappearing ink.

But I thought we had separation of church and state and did not have any nation’s Judeo/Christian heritage!



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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 07:12 PM
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Edsinger, you get my ATS award for most tedious and monotone poster around.

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 07:14 PM
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It's Xmas. Here's why:

The "Spirit" Behind Christmas

I don't believe in using pagan practices to worship God. In fact, in Jeremiah chapter 10 (I use the Authorized King James only) it warns not to learn the ways of the heathen. The Xmas tree has been around since the OT days--in fact, right after the Flood.

Crazy ACLU. If they *think* it's Christian they'll ban it. Just goes to show the blind hate they have, doesn't it?

I don't care for crucifixes either, because it depicts a dead Jesus, when Jesus is alive and at the right hand of the Father.

Think about it--if Xmas really were commanded by God, how many people do you think would observe it? Not many!

I do like Thanksgiving though. It's a good day. We should give thanks to God every day though.


I printed out the World Net Daily article about the homo-indoctrination and gave it to my pastor.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 07:16 PM
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I don't care whether it's called Christmas, Xmas, or Noël as we say in French. All I care about is this:

"Peace to all men of goodwill".

'nuff said.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by Amethyst
It's Xmas. Here's why:


Well we have to disagree then, the Xmas was used to take the Christ our of Christmas. I am not taking the presents and the commercialization thereof. It is a day to celebrate the birth of the savior as foretold in Isaiah. Constantine was the one who changed it to yes a day that was a pagan holiday, his intentions were good, but the fact remains we are not sure of the day in which Christ was born but we believe it to be June/July range. Celebrating it on the 25th of December does not take away from its meaning unless you buy the Santa Stuff. My kids have never believed in Santa from the start, I always told them the truth.



Originally posted by Amethyst
I don't believe in using pagan practices to worship God. In fact, in Jeremiah chapter 10 (I use the Authorized King James only) it warns not to learn the ways of the heathen. The Xmas tree has been around since the OT days--in fact, right after the Flood.


Well I like the New King James version but they all are good in their own rights, personally I get to a verse with difficult meaning I get out the software that lets me translate the Greek and Hebrew. I had a Baptist neighbor tell me that the KJV is the only one and I quickly showed him that although it is beautiful, it had some errors (printing for some).

The NIV is the one I use most and least like. It is the one that my Church uses as it reads the easiest.



Originally posted by Amethyst
Crazy ACLU. If they *think* it's Christian they'll ban it. Just goes to show the blind hate they have, doesn't it?


Yes and you do not see them fighting any other religion with such fervor huh?



Originally posted by Amethyst
I don't care for crucifixes either, because it depicts a dead Jesus, when Jesus is alive and at the right hand of the Father.


Dead Jesus? Exactly! And what was the purpose of his dying? The price for sin was paid upon that cross and with that cross He showed us that He conquered death for us all. It is not an idol at all but a reminder of the price and suffering that He took in our stead.




Originally posted by Amethyst
Think about it--if Xmas really were commanded by God, how many people do you think would observe it? Not many!


Well look at it this way also, what was the pagan holiday that it took the place of? See my point I don't remember either except some equinox or something, but it doesn't matter now.




Originally posted by Amethyst
I do like Thanksgiving though. It's a good day. We should give thanks to God every day though.


Yes we should, but I had to post the Establishment of the holiday and what our founders though in doing so.



Originally posted by Amethyst
I printed out the World Net Daily article about the homo-indoctrination and gave it to my pastor.



Great site, biased but biased to my liking I will openly admit.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by slank
Edsinger, you get my ATS award for most tedious and monotone poster around.


The only reasonable response to this post that i can give, while using enough words to take up more than one line is, Ed, keep up the good work, you must be doing something right. I have always said that you can tell the most about a man or a cause by taking a good hard look at the detractors of that man or cause.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The only reasonable response to this post that i can give, while using enough words to take up more than one line is, Ed, keep up the good work, you must be doing something right. I have always said that you can tell the most about a man or a cause by taking a good hard look at the detractors of that man or cause.


Why thank you Grady, and I seem to have the same trouble making posts last long enough to get past the one line restrictions also.

BTW that was almost not enough.

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:19 PM
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Dont make laugh-LOL!
Its not christmas/ its always been


CHRIST -MAS!


Anyway keep studying!




posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
Well we have to disagree then, the Xmas was used to take the Christ our of Christmas.


In actuality, the term Xmas was first used by Catholic monks as short hand for Christ and the X is a transliteration of the Greek character "chi." Use of the term Xmas, is only correctly used in informal writing and in commercial usage where space is at a premium.

There may be many who think that by using X for Christ they're taking Christ out of Christmas, but they aren't really.



Main Entry: Xmas
Pronunciation: 'kris-m&s also 'eks-m&s
Function: noun
Etymology: X (symbol for Christ, from the Greek letter chi (X), initial of Christos Christ) + -mas (in Christmas)

www.merriam-webster.com...




SYLLABICATION: X·mas
PRONUNCIATION: krsms, ksms
NOUN: Christmas.
ETYMOLOGY: From X, the Greek letter chi, first letter of Greek Khrstos, Christ. See Christ.
USAGE NOTE: Xmas has been used for hundreds of years in religious writing, where the X represents a Greek chi, the first letter of , “Christ.” In this use it is parallel to other forms like Xtian, “Christian.” But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (ksms). Many therefore frown upon the term Xmas because it seems to them a commercial convenience that omits Christ from Christmas.

www.bartleby.com...




Xmas is an abbreviation for Christmas. It is derived from the word ×ŃÉÓÔĎÓ, transliterated as Christos, which is Greek for Christ. Greek is the language in which the whole New Testament was written.

Originally, Xmas was an abbreviation where the X represents the Greek letter chi, with a hard ch, which is the first letter of Christ's name in Greek. However, because of the modern interpretations of the letter X, many people are unaware of this and assume that this abbreviation is meant to drop Christ from Christmas

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:44 PM
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Excellent, informative post, Grady! I'm an atheist and while my "celebration" of Xmas has more to do with having some time off these days, I am old enough to remember when it was more than about having a commercial orgy. So, what I also celebrate is a spirit of well-being, generosity, and fellowship to one another - a day when we can put the rat-race and the competition aside and be at peace with every one of us who have the good fortune to be alive and living on this great planet.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:44 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
In actuality, the term Xmas was first used by Catholic monks as short hand for Christ and the X is a transliteration of the Greek character "chi." Use of the term Xmas, is only correctly used in informal writing and in commercial usage where space is at a premium.

There may be many who think that by using X for Christ they're taking Christ out of Christmas, but they aren't really.


Well although that might be the case I will continue to write it out long form, I find no need to shorten it. It might be the case that it started out that way but it has since been abused IMHO.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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Yes Ed, let's have a different view of Thanksgiving.



Text of Plaque on Cole's Hill
"Since 1970, Native Americans have gathered at noon on Cole's Hill in Plymouth to commemorate a National Day of Mourning on the US Thanksgiving holiday. Many Native Americans do not celebrate the arrival of the Pilgrims and other European settlers. To them, Thanksgiving Day is a reminder of the genocide of millions of their people, the theft of their lands, and the relentless assault on their culture. Participants in a National Day of Mourning honor Native ancestors and the struggles of Native peoples to survive today. It is a day of remembrance and spiritual connection as well as a protest of the racism and oppression which Native Americans continue to experience."
American Indian Source





posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:51 PM
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Originally posted by curme
Yes Ed, let's have a different view of Thanksgiving.



Ah, it is curme, the wet blanket, the bearer of all things negative, peddler of ill will, bad advice, and intolerance of all things not meeting his standards of acceptance, come again to rain on one more parade.

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Ah, it is curme, the wet blanket, the bearer of all things negative, peddler of ill will, bad advice, and intolerance of all things not meeting his standards of acceptance, come again to rain on one more parade.


Call it raining on your parade if you will, but what happened to Native Americans when Europeans came to North America should not be ignored. It's a different (albeit negative) aspect of the same holiday, and if your anscestors were affected, you might see it differently.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 09:00 PM
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It should've been called "Jesus' Birthday". That way it's straightforward and it would be harder for some people to ignore what the day is really about. I'd like to see how merchants would advertise their wares if they had to call it that? lol
Sometimes I bake a cake and write "Happy Birthday Jesus" on it and put a couple of candles on it as part of my holiday bakeing. I do that so my kids don't forget the true meaning of the day. With all the commercialism now attached to Christmas, kids can easily forget that it's not just about receiveing presents.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 09:12 PM
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December 25, is not the birthday of Christ. Christmas means Christ's mass. Jesus of Nazereth was not even born during winter. The current date is closely aligned with the winter solstice which the early Roman church chose to corrspond with already existing pagan celebrations. Because of errors in the Gregorian calendar, Jesus was actually born several years BC.

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 09:20 PM
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Well I don't think the true date matters that much as long as we celebrate a "special day" for it.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 09:52 PM
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I celebrate it as the Winter Solstice, a time when the old year fades into the past and the New Year begins to appear. The Tree is a reminder of lifes continuation and the gifts and celebratory meals are proof of the bounty of the Creators favor.
As for Thanksgiving, I celebrate it as an historical event in the U.S., a time when native and non-native peoples came together to celebrate in peace.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by slank
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Edsinger, you get my ATS award for most tedious and monotone poster around.

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No, that honor does not go to Ed. That honor goes to all that continuously attack the truth, deny facts and do all possible to wipe clean the heritage we Americans have in order to push forward an anti-God agenda in spite of all evidence.

Ed is reacting the true tedium that has swept this board; the continued assualt against our heritage as well as teh continued denyial of God and ridicule of His children.

I wouldn't call it an honor, though.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 10:08 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
That honor goes to all that continuously attack the truth, deny facts and do all possible to wipe clean the heritage we Americans have in order to push forward an anti-God agenda in spite of all evidence.

Ed is reacting the true tedium that has swept this board; the continued assualt against our heritage as well as teh continued denyial of God and ridicule of His children.I wouldn't call it an honor, though.


That was well put TC. They hate Christians so bad because the Christian refuses to condone sin. Oh they are sinners to but they do not deny that fact that it is sin and they seek forgiveness for it, and it just so happens that is what Jesus died for. Loverly to hear the truth isn't it?




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