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The Only Way God is Real.

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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

Dude I could care less the global demographics of Christians. It's a bs side note to me. Nothing I base my life on that's the other side. If I was scared of being wrong then I wouldn't have looked it up. I was curious. I think it makes you far more uncomfortable that the evangelicals are taking over Christianity, at least as far as public opinion goes. So your real beef should be with them. There the ones corrupting your religion and making y'all look foolish. No atheist cares about the ones who aren't passing religious laws and teaching literalism. The moral to the story crowd is harmless so no threat to society IMHO.




posted on May, 10 2014 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: SpaceGoatFarts

Dude I could care less the global demographics of Christians. It's a bs side note to me. Nothing I base my life on that's the other side. If I was scared of being wrong then I wouldn't have looked it up. I was curious. I think it makes you far more uncomfortable that the evangelicals are taking over Christianity, at least as far as public opinion goes. So your real beef should be with them. There the ones corrupting your religion and making y'all look foolish. No atheist cares about the ones who aren't passing religious laws and teaching literalism. The moral to the story crowd is harmless so no threat to society IMHO.


The evangelical are only taking over the US. And I feel more sorry for you, as an American, than for me.

I literally know 0 Christian around who believe a literal genesis.

It's only American Christian who make themselves foolish, and the whole US for letting them taking over the administration by promoting creationism in school and holy war against islam.

If there is one country #ed because of christian fundies, it's yours, not mine.

I understand your grudge against them. I would feel the same.

But to claim that all the Christian in the rest of the world are like the Americans is just plain wrong. It's only your country that is in danger. The chuch has no political power here. Unlike in your country.

Sorry pal, I'm not your ennemy, you pick the wrong target. I'm trying to educate you about the subject of Christianity but if you are so mad at American fundies I can understand why you don't care if I point at your innacurracies.

Here atheists and christians can have insightful debate because they are not stuck at "durr you literally believe in adam and eve you doofus".

The Vatican is currently using its observatory to find signs of alien life while the American fundies are looking for the remains of the Ark.

Who's the stupidest?

I mean the US invented biblical literalism, scientology and mormonism. It's not my fault if you are so prone to believe bull#. Maybe blame your education system?
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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 03:16 PM
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Your real enemy as an atheist is fundamentalism, not Christian faith. Both Christian and Muslim fundies want to impose their view.

Christians in general are not like that. The pope even said it's OK to be an atheist as long as you have moral values. There is no prozelitism here, no political agenda.


You can attack fundamentalism and call it delusion, but to say Christians are insane is very short sighted. The rest of the Christians fight fundamentalism as much as you, the pope (again) warns about the danger of the rise of fundamentalism in the US.



posted on May, 10 2014 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE
a reply to: bobs_uruncle

I think it makes sense too. The question I have is , assuming it's true, is life a planned part of the program or a spontaneous manifestation like the iso's from tron legacy.


You have to make your own decision concerning the planning of "people," but I will give you something to think about.

Programmers and Mathematicians do not roll the dice, unless of course they are in the casino and they generally win and then get thrown out. But think about "reality" for a second, what is history or memory? Can it be programmed? There is a clue in "the victors write the history," history is mutable, even pliable. But then, is it possible that our memories can be manipulated on a continual basis? Can you prove yesterday happened? Can you prove anything happened 10, 100, 1000, 10000 years ago? Can you prove any of your memories are "your" memories? You can't.

Then look at the nature of "reality," does anything touch anything else? Can energy touch energy? Nope. Since energy cannot touch energy, is there really any matter? Nope. That organic data acquisition system in your head, when you see, hear, touch, smell, taste anything, do you sense it when it "actually" happens? Nope. Is there any way to categorically define our "reality" as real? Nope. It is only real to us because of our senses, so reality is a subjective construct.

We cannot prove either way, whether this is a "matrix-like" construct meaning purely information transfer or whether it is physical, a virtual reality construct. The problem is that the natural laws are very well constructed, but there are clues; Holograms! The interference pattern of photons produce three dimensional constructs that you can see, diaphanous as they are, you can still see them. But what happens when you take bosons and do the same thing, well you get this ;-) The interference patterns of Bosons creates what appears to be a physical reality.

So what does that make us? Riders in meat puppet buses, much like the ideas expressed in Avatar. An entity someplace else, "wired" into their own data acquisition and control system in an apparent virtual reality. But there is a much greater problem for the religions of the world, everyone of them espouses "free will."

In a construct there are conditions concerning free will, from an organic operational vantage. It is either a structured and closed system and there is no free will, or it is an open chaotic system and there is free will. By performing certain types of experiments you can come to the conclusion that this is a closed system and therefore there is no free will.

So the question (as you expressed) ultimately becomes, why are we here and that is where the relationship with religion jumps in, we cannot know our purpose, because we operate within this construct and in order to discern intent or reason, we would have to exist, rather than operate, outside the construct. Anyone who as ever performed gravity wave interferometery research will recognize this problem, all the tools you use to perform measurements are within the gravity wave "system" and therefore change proportionally to the system, thereby rendering your measurements useless using conventional tools. All you have left is to use proxies that have relationships with cause and effect systems pertaining to gravity, meaning things that are effected by gravity that you might be able to measure, IF YOU CAN FIND AN ABSOLUTE REFERENCE. The only available proxy I have found is time and that brings about its own problems, but using time to measure gravity waves has been done (it's complex).

But what does that tell us? As I said in another post, Newton and Einstein are both right. There is an underlying absolute time base that we can't normally access or measure, outside of what we consider reality, as it requires specialized tools, but there is also a relative time base that operates within this virtual reality. So if there are two time bases, there must be at least one reality (the absolute reality) and one construct (the relative reality), but maybe there are more time bases, who knows, I've only found two. When one starts playing with particle degeneracy, BEC's, superstring theory, etc. physically, meaning making the tools and running the experiments these solutions, in regards to our construct, start to become apparent. To give an analogy, time appears to simply be the motion of a tape on a VCR head and if you get from that, that this virtual reality has the apparent construct of a 4D movie, you'd be on the right track I believe.

As I have said in many posts, don't fear death, you cannot "sin" if you are not in control, you are here to observe and absorb, to look at the scenery, to follow your script and try to enjoy the ride. It's like a roller coaster, it begins, you get some excitement, eventually the ride stops, then you get off and look at getting on the next one ;-)

Just some condensed thoughts on experiments and papers I'd written when I did work through the NRC many years ago.

Cheers - Dave
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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 03:53 PM
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The universe is like a big brain cell. The big bang was when that cell grew out of thin air. The fact that our universe is expanding tells me the living cell(universe) is still an infant in it's lifespan.


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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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a reply to: libertytoall

The universe is nothing like a big brain cell. Just because something can be made to appear superficially similar, it does not make it so.

Using your logic, the universe looks just like a cobweb, therefore it was made by cosmic space spiders:


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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 05:19 PM
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Listen up!
You are the universe.
Without eyes there would be no light.
Without ears there would be no sound.
The atoms that form your eye come from a star that exploded billions of years ago...and here they are now, being utilized to capture the energy from the same process.

The universe has an interesting sense of irony, in which you are the universe experiencing itself...all you are is a thought.

"As you make more and more powerful microscopic instruments, the universe has to get smaller and smaller in order to escape the investigation. Just as when the telescopes become more and more powerful, the galaxies have to recede in order to get away from the telescopes. Because what is happening in all these investigations is this: Through us and through our eyes and senses, the universe is looking at itself. And when you try to turn around to see your own head, what happens? It runs away. You can't get at it. This is the principle. Shankara explains it beautifully in his commentary on the Kenopanishad where he says 'That which is the Knower, the ground of all knowledge, is never itself an object of knowledge.' "
[In this quote from 1973 Watts, remarkably, essentially anticipates the discovery (in the late 1990's) of the acceleration of the expansion of the universe.]
~Alan Watts
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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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Go to a bookstore and look up for Alan Watts, I would say that his interpretation of God or "Reality" is correct.
You are the universe and you can never know yourself because the knower is never the object of knowledge.
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posted on May, 10 2014 @ 05:24 PM
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Double post.



posted on May, 10 2014 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: libertytoall

The universe is nothing like a big brain cell. Just because something can be made to appear superficially similar, it does not make it so.

Using your logic, the universe looks just like a cobweb, therefore it was made by cosmic space spiders:



Perhaps you could put your own ego aside and learn something.


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I'm sorry to ruffle your darwin atheistic feathers but this IS THE TRUTH.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 05:27 AM
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a reply to: libertytoall

Perhaps you could clearly state exactly how the universe is like a brain cell, other than an image being made to appear superficially similar



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 10:30 AM
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You have decided not to put your ego aside. I guess this will be my last post for you then.
Physicists Find Proof That The Universe Is A Giant Brain
www.viralnovelty.net...

“Here we show that the causal network representing the large-scale structure of spacetime in our accelerating universe is a power-law graph with strong clustering, similar to many complex networks such as the internet, social, or biological networks. We prove that this structural similarity is a consequence of the asymptotic equivalence between the large-scale growth dynamics of complex networks and causal networks.”

Science has always been suggesting that consciousness might be the underlying fabric of the universe and that it spawns everything. M-theory, Unified Field Theory, and String Theory are all based on that idea. The “Giant Brain” theory is even more compelling now that we know our universe’s fabric grows like a brain in addition to being conscious. This begs the question, a brain to what?"



Another possibility is this


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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: libertytoall

Libertytoall, you're right. Quantum theory and string theory predict all sorts of strange things that we don't fully understand. But they definitely are fascinating to think about.

In a way, it would make sense that the brain and the universe, or any complex design that has to "think", would have similar structures because nature seeks to find the best design and the best fit for efficiency.

This was an interesting experiment - and the results are intriguing.

www.livescience.com...

Similar Networks

Past studies showed brain circuits and the Internet look a lot alike. But despite finding this functional similarity, nobody had developed equations to perfectly predict how computer networks, brain circuits or social networks grow over time, Krioukov said.

Using Einstein's equations of relativity, which explain how matter warps the fabric of space-time, physicists can retrace the universe's explosive birth in the Big Bang roughly 14 billion years ago and how it has expanded outward in the eons since.

So Krioukov's team wondered whether the universe's accelerating growth could provide insight into the ways social networks or brain circuits expand.

Brain cells and galaxies

The team created a computer simulation that broke the early universe into the tiniest possible units — quanta of space-time more miniscule than subatomic particles. The simulation linked any quanta, or nodes in a massive celestial network, that were causally related. (Nothing travels faster than light, so if a person hits a baseball on Earth, the ripple effects of that event could never reach an alien in a distant galaxy in a reasonable amount of time, meaning those two regions of space-time aren't causally related.)

As the simulation progressed, it added more and more space-time to the history of the universe, and so its "network" connections between matter in galaxies, grew as well, Krioukov said.

When the team compared the universe's history with growth of social networks and brain circuits, they found all the networks expanded in similar ways: They balanced links between similar nodes with ones that already had many connections. For instance, a cat lover surfing the Internet may visit mega-sites such as Google or Yahoo, but will also browse cat fancier websites or YouTube kitten videos. In the same way, neighboring brain cells like to connect, but neurons also link to such "Google brain cells" that are hooked up to loads of other brain cells.

The eerie similarity between networks large and small is unlikely to be a coincidence, Krioukov said.

"For a physicist it's an immediate signal that there is some missing understanding of how nature works," Krioukov said.

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And this research boggles the mind - perhaps God created the universe as a hologram???!!!

Simulations back up theory that Universe is a hologram

A ten-dimensional theory of gravity makes the same predictions as standard quantum physics in fewer dimensions.

"......Regime change

The findings “are an interesting way to test many ideas in quantum gravity and string theory”, Maldacena adds. The two papers, he notes, are the culmination of a series of articles contributed by the Japanese team over the past few years. “The whole sequence of papers is very nice because it tests the dual [nature of the universes] in regimes where there are no analytic tests.”

“They have numerically confirmed, perhaps for the first time, something we were fairly sure had to be true, but was still a conjecture — namely that the thermodynamics of certain black holes can be reproduced from a lower-dimensional universe,” says Leonard Susskind, a theoretical physicist at Stanford University in California who was among the first theoreticians to explore the idea of holographic universes."

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Leonard Susskind is one of the fathers of String Theory. Here's a lecture he gave on the hypothesis of the universe as a hologram: www.youtube.com...

Leonard Susskind is a champion of educating the public on everything from basic physics to complex quantum theory.
He has many videos on YouTube which are easy for the layman to understand.
If you have some background in physics, or you're just interested to learn something about quantum theory, this is his best set of videos:
www.youtube.com...

This is a great interview with Susskind on how the universe seems to be fine-tuned for life:
www.youtube.com...

Great stuff to think about - mind bending and challenging.



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: ArtemisE

Just so not to false advertise, I'm a pretty hard core atheist who LOVES the science vs. religion debate.


what exactly is the "science vs. religion" debate?



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: aboyandhisdream

originally posted by: ArtemisE

Just so not to false advertise, I'm a pretty hard core atheist who LOVES the science vs. religion debate.


what exactly is the "science vs. religion" debate?


I think what he means is taking the subject and diluting it to the most infantile form of a black and white argument. The conclusion I get is you should not enter into debate with someone who's clearly already made their mind up by discrediting the possibility that religion and science can coexist.
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posted on May, 11 2014 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: libertytoall

Here is a poster with some sense. Thank you for your clarification.
I look forward to seeing more of your posts



posted on May, 11 2014 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: libertytoall

Yet you have not actually demonstrated in any reasonable measure beyond "lol these pics kinda look similar" how the universe is anything like a human brain.



posted on May, 12 2014 @ 03:19 AM
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originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: libertytoall

Yet you have not actually demonstrated in any reasonable measure beyond "lol these pics kinda look similar" how the universe is anything like a human brain.


Actually the original claim wasn't even that the universe look like a neural network (which is a pretty common shape in the universe ), but that the universe looks like a "big brain cell" (singular)
that "grew out of the big bang", which is completely inaccurate. The Big bang was uniformly distributed matter, that when cooling down, started to collapse on itself because of gravity and formed a foam-like structure.



If anyone is seriously interested into the structure of the universe, I would suggest laying down pseudo science for a while and look at foam physics because it's exactly what the universe is.

Foam.

Bubbles of emptiness and matter concentrating at their interfaces.





It's funny because I DO BELIEVE their is an intelligence permeating the universe, but I won't fall for the shortcut that "the universe looks like a brain" because it's simply not the case.


But I don't expect ATSers to think for themselves besides cutting and pasting youtube links from new-age; conspiracy or pseudo science blogs. Intellectual laziness is pretty much plaguing this site and people don't want to learn the truth but only be confirmed in their beliefs.

Being a real truth-seeker is hard because sometimes you have to admit your opinion is wrong. Few here are capable of that.



posted on May, 12 2014 @ 07:37 AM
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Nah, universe looks to me more like a fart.... big one... actually huge one...

Now, problem of this topic is to decide who farted and when....


Really folks, you will compare 2D images of universe with something you recognize??

That is not just silly and funny, but rather dumb...

When I was kid, I was wondering if atoms are like planet and sun - just much smaller... and as I learned more about it, I learned that Horton heard a who only in stories...



posted on May, 12 2014 @ 08:13 AM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog
Nah, universe looks to me more like a fart.... big one... actually huge one...

Now, problem of this topic is to decide who farted and when....


Really folks, you will compare 2D images of universe with something you recognize??

That is not just silly and funny, but rather dumb...

When I was kid, I was wondering if atoms are like planet and sun - just much smaller... and as I learned more about it, I learned that Horton heard a who only in stories...


Lol Frog. Sometimes you make smart posts and sometimes you make a fool of yourself because you want to prove everyone wrong so hard.

You haven't even read what was posted.

We are talking about the structure of matter distribution in the universe and you compare that to a fart


We have 3d images of that. Totally. Sorry you are not aware of it. It's not because you ignore something it's not real.



This is the distribution of matter in space. It has this "stringy" form because of gravity. Matter was uniformly distributed then it collapsed to form "filaments", and now it looks like foam because it's the natural form matter will take given the forces in play.

Now I wonder who's dumb for making condescending comments when they are wrong



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