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Odessa slaughter: How vicious mob burnt anti-govt activists alive

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posted on May, 18 2014 @ 03:40 PM
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Video emerges of Right Sector / National Guard units shooting an ambulance with survivors from the Mariupol assault on May 9 2014:





posted on May, 18 2014 @ 06:41 PM
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a reply to: Vovin You are talking of two halves? There is only an eastern part which is partially reigned by illegal militia.

There are no two halfs.



posted on May, 18 2014 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: Vovin
Video emerges of Right Sector / National Guard units shooting an ambulance with survivors from the Mariupol assault on May 9 2014:



We could talk about this, but others have been reminded here that this thread is about Odessa. I would not mind if we few people here agree, that we can talk about all events equally, but then we should agree on this and have the mods agree with us, because nobody should be deleted as "off topic" then.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: Siddharta

Not easy to talk:
The Ukraine crisis has been a non-stop festival of lies, each one more ridiculous than the last (and guess who's lying...). The same MSM which explained 911, BP spill, Sandy Hook or last but not least the MH370 disappearance.


As an English teacher at three major American universities, I always instructed students to begin sentences with a specific subject and verb that clearly express "who does what." In this case, "NATO-backed Nazi thugs" are the who, and "chased pro-Russian protestors into a building and burned and strangled them to death" are the what. Instead, the New York Times begins its sentence with an abstraction, "violence," that just somehow "erupted." We are told that "dozens of people died in a fire," but we are not told who killed them, simply that the fire was "related to clashes." George Orwell, author of "Politics and the English Language," must be rolling over in his grave.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 09:18 AM
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First results of the investigation are published today:




"Chloroform was found in the litter and soot when the House of Unions was being examined. Chloroform is normally used in surgical operations. We have yet to establish why this substance was there," Sakal said. "According to experts, inhaling chloroform vapors obstructs the breathing, which is what happened in our case.
The cause of the 32 deaths in Odessa on May 2 was heart failure and breathlessness under the impact of an unidentified substance, not as a result of the high temperature," he said. Sakal added that the mixture containing chloroform had been in the Trade Unions building for several days.
"According to experts, if the substance remains in the open air, it becomes toxic. Heating is not needed in this case. Inhaling its vapors leads to irreparable damage for humans," he said.


Interior Ministry: Chloroform discovered in Odessa Trade Unions building

They now asked Israel for experts to help with the investigation.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: Siddharta

Iteresting find there. So the pro russians prolly set up canisters of chloroform up to slowly disperse in the building. That would mean this was a planned operation to incriminate the Kiev government it seems.



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Siddharta

Iteresting find there. So the pro russians prolly set up canisters of chloroform up to slowly disperse in the building. That would mean this was a planned operation to incriminate the Kiev government it seems.



Still with this "they killed themselves" nonsense I see. Maybe the pro-kiev guys tossed it through the windows........but no, you're right, they most likely all committed suicide as the right sector chaps watched on helplessly.......



posted on May, 19 2014 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: Flatcoat

I dodnt say they killed themselves. The Pro russian who were ran into that building were not there long enough to get poisoned but the people who were there already for longer were sacrificed But they did not volunteer. Chloroform was found in the area. Facts trump your feelings. And did they really look close at that pregannt woman suppossedly strangled with telephone cord? they need tolook for post mortem marking to tell if it was true,and also.. a dead body should had fell to the floor.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: Siddharta

originally posted by: Vovin
Video emerges of Right Sector / National Guard units shooting an ambulance with survivors from the Mariupol assault on May 9 2014:



We could talk about this, but others have been reminded here that this thread is about Odessa. I would not mind if we few people here agree, that we can talk about all events equally, but then we should agree on this and have the mods agree with us, because nobody should be deleted as "off topic" then.


Well considering that it's the same people carrying out the same tactics, then it's not really off topic, is it? In the real world, we refer to this as continuity and is important in persecuting murderers.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 12:32 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Flatcoat

I dodnt say they killed themselves. The Pro russian who were ran into that building were not there long enough to get poisoned but the people who were there already for longer were sacrificed But they did not volunteer. Chloroform was found in the area. Facts trump your feelings. And did they really look close at that pregannt woman suppossedly strangled with telephone cord? they need tolook for post mortem marking to tell if it was true,and also.. a dead body should had fell to the floor.



And what facts do you really have to back up your claims? A lot of people were said to be herded up into the basement by the mob and were not seen again...
edit on 20-5-2014 by Vovin because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Vovin

No bodies no evidence no case.Do we really know if those people existed that dissapeared into thin air? SOmetimes people will lie and make up people just because it cant be disproved or proved.ALso those are not my claims about th e presence of chloroform. I was repeating something that was posted previously by another source.Still there are no official reports yet and until there are this is all hearsay and propoganda and feelings.



posted on May, 20 2014 @ 06:59 PM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Vovin

No bodies no evidence no case.Do we really know if those people existed that dissapeared into thin air? SOmetimes people will lie and make up people just because it cant be disproved or proved.ALso those are not my claims about th e presence of chloroform. I was repeating something that was posted previously by another source.Still there are no official reports yet and until there are this is all hearsay and propoganda and feelings.



Your claims are that the activists were using the chloroform because they were in the building long before the assault on May 2. Or have I mis-read?



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 03:06 PM
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Here is some more news by Howard Amos:




Odessa police chief who fled Ukraine pops up in interview with Russian TV, blames Kiev for 'organising' the killings:


The link is in Cyrillic again, so we are not able to read it. But still I give it to you for Google translation:

TV Russia

Yes, he supported the thugs. You decide, which ones.
edit on 22-5-2014 by Siddharta because: typo



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: Siddharta

Nice find, thanks! He answers questions, but not all of them. Hope you can use online translators:


Что трагические события в Одессе стали результатом хорошо спланированной провокации, ясно стало почти сразу. Но ее подлинные действующие лица долго оставались в тени. Первое время считалось, что на лагерь пророссийских активистов напали футбольные фанаты. Но для такой масштабной бойни их было слишком мало. Дмитрий Фучеджи объясняет - на самом деле костяк нападавших составили совсем другие люди.


That the tragic events in Odessa were the result of a well-planned provocation, it became clear almost immediately. But her original actors long remained in the shadows. At first it was thought that the pro-Russian activists camp was attacked by football fans. But for such a large-scale massacre they were too few. Dmitry Fuchedzhi explains - in fact, the backbone of the attackers made ​​by different people.


Дмитрий Фучеджи: "Буквально за недели две губернатор привез с майдана и на 12 блокпостов выставили людей с майдана, около 500 человек. Остальные находились в Одессе, в лагерях, базах отдыха. Финансировал кормление и содержание губернатор".

По мнению Фучеджи, именно одесский губернатор Владимир Немировский - после убийства людей в Доме профсоюзов он, кстати, ушел в отставку, - и есть один из главных виновников той трагедии.

Dmitry Fuchedzhi: "Just a couple of weeks the governor brought about 500 people from Maidan (Kiev) and put this Midan people to 12 roadblocks. Others were in Odessa, in the camps, recreation centers. The feeding and maintenance was funded by the governor." According Fuchedzhi, namely the governor of Odessa Vladimir Nemirovsky - after killing people in the House of Trade Unions he resigned - is the one of the main culprits of the tragedy.


Дмитрий Фучеджи: "За три дня до разгона Майдана приезжает Парубий и вручает бронежилеты 5-го класса. Вручил бронежилеты, провел совещание в воинской части и в шторме с командирами и сотниками, которые приехали с Киева. Совещание продолжалось 3,5-4 часа".

Dmitry Fuchedzhi: "Three days before (the massacre) comes Paruby and hands 5th grade vests. Handed vests, held a meeting with the commanders and captains of hundreds, who came from Kiev. Meeting lasted 3.5-4 hours" .

...and finally:

Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs recently reluctantly acknowledged that the events were planned in Odessa, but the perpetrators seem to still looking for among those who suffered in the massacre. And perhaps this trend be reversed, because hardly Kiev authorities are willing to expose themselves, and that they are behind the tragedy of May 2, Dmitry Fuchedzhi no doubt.

(Sorry about the poor work. It's not easy to translate foreign languages ​​and fix without sufficient knowledge...)
edit on 22-5-2014 by maghun because: spelling



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: maghun Okay, but you forget that only 20 days ago you saw him standing behind those, who did the shooting. All you people here on the anti-Kiev path pointed out that the police was with the attackers. And it was clear to you that the police was pro-fascists.

What is the new story now? We have seen all the videos you showed. So now the chief of the police suddenly is a good guy? And he only watched people die, because?

I think, this prooves what we already would have received if we would use Occham's razor at first. The chief of the police was anti-Kiev. Many of the police were, too. They put red bands on their arms to signailze, who is pro-Russian/anti-Kiev.

Why should all the police put on red bands? They were clearly identifiable as police by their uniforms. Only if some were pro and some were anti they needed a signal. This also explains why many policemen threw down their shields on May 3. Obviously they were of different opinions in the police camp themselves.

Now that chief appears on Russian tv and suddenly he is the hero for anti-Kiev supporters?

The same is happening right now in the east. The army lived to see a big disaster (again). 16 soldiers were killed. 15 of them were killed by an ambush of seperatists. One died by friednly fire from their own helicopters. (As far as things are out now.) Russian sides explain that all soldiers were killed by their own people, because they refused to shoot at their own countrymen. This is how propaganda works.

Don't wait for explanations, explain it to yourself. Don't wait for logic, be quick to make logic unneeded. Don't try to find out the facts, make themselves and enjoy. Don't avoid ignorance, cultivate it.

No people, we must look at the news closely and not just swallow everything we are fed. Otherwise we sit here and still quarrel about this, when Ukrainians are back to peace and hope to forget that bad chapter in their history.




edit on 22-5-2014 by Siddharta because: typos



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: Siddharta

I hear another story today, why not ask residents of "terrorist land"?



Horlivka

People's Republic of Donetsk militia lost one member in the fight.

Ukraine now is a playfield of crazy blood hungry oligarchs. One head worth 5.000 USD.



posted on May, 22 2014 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: maghun Or that one:

The Kremlin's Trolls Go West

Luckily we are safe from such things here at ATS.




posted on May, 22 2014 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: maghun
a reply to: Siddharta

I hear another story today, why not ask residents of "terrorist land"?



Horlivka

People's Republic of Donetsk militia lost one member in the fight.

Ukraine now is a playfield of crazy blood hungry oligarchs. One head worth 5.000 USD.



And mercinaries working for the oligarch Kolomoisky recently committed a massacre of Ukrainian soldiers (34 on the list) for non-compliance.

Source.


(post by Vovin removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on May, 23 2014 @ 08:04 AM
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Donetsk bloodbath: Insider video shows Ukraine helicopters firing at own checkpoint



Officially?




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