Boy, 8, Killed Defending Sister From Rapist

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

Well, if I had the means and was within realistic driving distance? This is one I might consider attending as well. I don't and it isn't, but my heart goes out to the family and that little girl, just the same.

I just hope she is well shielded now from the mob of media, so she isn't traumatized in yet a 3rd way.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

It feels like the right thing to do...giving money is one thing but, actually taking the time out of my own life to help support this family is another.

This is the sort of thing that will just continue to break a family apart so, the more help they can get...the better the chances are they will stay together.

I really hope we can make the trip and if we can't....I will.

The whole rape culture of this society is really pissing me off and it just seems to be getting worse!

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

It makes me so angry!

Why angry? The murderer has a mother as well and perhaps his father stuck around to help raise him as well? Why do you not feel sad for the fact that someone can be raised in way that allows for these type of consequences? How do you think anyone's anger will contribute to making either this or any other community 'better'?

I only live a few hours away from where this happened and I've spoken to my husband about it...we are seriously considering making the drive for the memorial service to show our support.

And how many people will support the mother of murderer? How many should have supported her and her family for the last 16 years? Where is the support in the quite times when it can achieve non violent and socially productive ends?

We have already donated to Wells Fargo for financial support but, sadly that just doesn't feel like enough.

This situation just tugs at my soul.

The problem with anger/outrage is that it can not be maintained very often and when it is it's rarely maintained in ways that have constructive consequences. If this feels like a personal attack i apologise but i do believe that many here actually share your sentiments and i am speaking to them more than i am the few women on this forum who are closer to understanding this than men are or likely can be.


Stellar

originally posted by: Subnatural

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: doompornjunkie

You are right, it is the little boys fault he was murdered…

Don't be a moron. Its the parents fault for not teaching him how to react to dangerous strangers.

"Now junior remember, runaway from big bad men, not towards them".

So it would have been better for the boy to run away and leave his sister behind? It's obvious the man had already grabbed the girl and the boy came to her defense. The boy did the right thing and paid for it with his life. Whether you believe it or not there are times when a person has to make stand no matter what age you are and this boy made one.

Well, it would have been wiser for the little boy to run away and scream for help. Simply because he could hardly overpower a grown man. Sometimes it is better to leave your sister behind. This is a cruel truth of a cruel world.

But I agree that it was valiant of the boy. Perhaps even exceptionally valiant. But who will remember in a thousand years? He died and the rapist lived. Of course the sister lives too, this provides some comfort. It is possible that he saved her life. Still, maybe if he would have ran she would have died and not him? Or maybe they both would have lived?

We will never know. Maybe it is pointless to ask.

And maybe the attacker would have run away with his sister, and she would never have been seen again.

It likes a situation I remember from 20 years ago. I was living in a downtown apartment, heard a commotion outside around 2am, and saw two teenagers talking with a tall guy with an rainbow umbrella. Next thing one of them has hit him with a brick, sending him spinning and falling to the ground at the same time. Happened in seconds. There was simply no way of telling that was going to happen.

originally posted by: StellarX

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric

It makes me so angry!

Why angry? The murderer has a mother as well and perhaps his father stuck around to help raise him as well? Why do you not feel sad for the fact that someone can be raised in way that allows for these type of consequences? How do you think anyone's anger will contribute to making either this or any other community 'better'?

I only live a few hours away from where this happened and I've spoken to my husband about it...we are seriously considering making the drive for the memorial service to show our support.

And how many people will support the mother of murderer? How many should have supported her and her family for the last 16 years? Where is the support in the quite times when it can achieve non violent and socially productive ends?

We have already donated to Wells Fargo for financial support but, sadly that just doesn't feel like enough.

This situation just tugs at my soul.

The problem with anger/outrage is that it can not be maintained very often and when it is it's rarely maintained in ways that have constructive consequences. If this feels like a personal attack i apologise but i do believe that many here actually share your sentiments and i am speaking to them more than i am the few women on this forum who are closer to understanding this than men are or likely can be.


Stellar

If you are apologizing to me If I feel attacked by you then, I believe you.

So, can you just let me feel what I feel and do what I choose to do?

I have my reasons just as you have yours in responding to my post.

Let's just leave it at that.

This is one case where I hope the police really get out of line with their suspect...

I will never understand why a grown man would want to rape or molest a young girl or boy. Depravity at it's worst. They should give the death penalty to anyone who rapes a child. That kids life is forever changed after an attack like that and most grow up to be damaged goods. They took their life, so to speak, so someone should take theirs.

My heartfelt prayers go out to this family and community. So tragic.

a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

The whole rape culture of this society is really pissing me off and it just seems to be getting worse!

I actually disagree on the idea of there being a culture or increase. Some other parts of the world, I think there IS and the one sure sign is when it turns to gang attacks. People feeling comfy enough in that worst taboo for normal society, to be doing it together. We aren't there yet as any common occurrence.

In a way, I think we may end up better for the period we're going through. Reporting is WAY up...tolerance is WAY down and the fact people are hearing about what I think was always happening to various extents will help eventually reduce it greatly. You'd think it would be condemned enough in society already, but apparently not.

I'm male, and don't have experience with what this topic comes down to...but it pains me to say, I really don't know any females in my life who weren't victims in some way, at least once in their lives. Not among those I know really well. Now ..ask how many reported it?

...That is what's changing by this kind of coverage, I think. 0 Tolerance, as people realize how much more there is than has ever been talked about.

a reply to: StellarX

And how many people will support the mother of murderer?

Honestly, tough. She can just deal with it. At least he wasnt raped and murdered.

You assume that anyone even cares about him. I hope he dies a horrible death. No one wants to "help" him. We would rather kill the SOB.

Reality. You are not nicer or more evolved for playing the "poor criminal" card. Its pathetic really.
Punishment. Revenge. That is what we want. I would be pretty pissed if anyone helped him.

Only an arrogant fool assumes he has the power to "help or save" anyone who doesnt want it...or deserve it. Things are earned and lost by ones merit.


EDIT TO ADD:
This sentiment is by far the most offensive from the ultra liberal camp. It really goes beyond a slap in the face and is beyond intolerable behavior.

Speaking as a brother, I would rather have died, than to stand by letting any of my sisters suffer. Call me ignorant or whatever, but that is what it is like for me. Someone messes with my sister, they mess with me, and I would die to protect them. Better that than running like a coward and having to live with the aftermath, raped or dead sister.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: MagesticEsoteric

The whole rape culture of this society is really pissing me off and it just seems to be getting worse!

I actually disagree on the idea of there being a culture or increase. Some other parts of the world, I think there IS and the one sure sign is when it turns to gang attacks. People feeling comfy enough in that worst taboo for normal society, to be doing it together. We aren't there yet as any common occurrence.

In a way, I think we may end up better for the period we're going through. Reporting is WAY up...tolerance is WAY down and the fact people are hearing about what I think was always happening to various extents will help eventually reduce it greatly. You'd think it would be condemned enough in society already, but apparently not.

I'm male, and don't have experience with what this topic comes down to...but it pains me to say, I really don't know any females in my life who weren't victims in some way, at least once in their lives. Not among those I know really well. Now ..ask how many reported it?

...That is what's changing by this kind of coverage, I think. 0 Tolerance, as people realize how much more there is than has ever been talked about.

I would like to agree with you... I really would.

But, I just don't see it the way you do.

Maybe being a woman gives me a different perspective on the issue...I don't know.

What I do know is that our society needs more men like you!

We need more men to stand up and say that rape is wrong. Men should stand up and shame the rapists...not the victim. That is the best way to make things better in my opinion.

a reply to: buster2010

Incredibly sad...Let's just hope the disgusting animal that did this doesn't have dupont or ethan couch money or justice will never be served.

originally posted by: TKDRL
Speaking as a brother, I would rather have died, than to stand by letting any of my sisters suffer. Call me ignorant or whatever, but that is what it is like for me. Someone messes with my sister, they mess with me, and I would die to protect them. Better that than running like a coward and having to live with the aftermath, raped or dead sister.

I wouldn't expect anything less from my own brother....I know with 100% certainty that he would die trying to save me. I would do the same for him and we both have that unspoken bond with one another that we know that is just how it would play out.

Maybe not all brother/sister relationships are like that but, we spent our whole lives looking out for each other...I don't see that changing anytime soon... if ever.

a reply to: lovebeck

Yes, hope they really get out of line, then he gets off scott free, due to civil rights violations. The justice system is not supposed to be about revenge. This is real life, not the shield. People hoping crap like that gets us all closer to Gitmo. Unacceptable.

originally posted by: NightFlight
You know, I hope it takes 50 minutes for his lethal injection to "work".

I hope it takes a couple of days.. Of course, there are so many people out there who will say "the criminal has the right to be treated in a humane manner", well.... They can share his chair... !!

This one brought tears to my eyes. I'm the father of an 8 year old little boy, and a 12 year old little girl. I would've wanted my son to go get a hero instead of trying to be one.

I also lived just outside of Richmond, and oddly enough on a street named Cobb Rd. I don't believe in coincidences, I was supposed to read this. God's telling me to go home.

a reply to: buster2010

Actually yes it would have been. :-( always put your own in flight oxygen mask on first...

Well that sucks...

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: doompornjunkie

You are right, it is the little boys fault he was murdered…

Don't be a moron. Its the parents fault for not teaching him how to react to dangerous strangers.

"Now junior remember, runaway from big bad men, not towards them".

"Now Junior, remember that it's just a sister - she can be replaced. We'll make you another one if you just run, run away."

My parents didn't teach me to run away from the big bad men. They taught me to assault right into them. It's worked pretty well for me so far, but sometimes it's just the luck of the draw, and luck runs short on it.

Losing a child is tragic. Blaming yourself for it forever after - or putting up with the recriminations and blame of others who think they "know better", is perhaps even MORE tragic - it certainly adds insult to injury.

On top of that, you can "shoulda woulda coulda" all goddamned day, and in the final analysis, kids will usually act according to their natures, despite what you try to tell them.

This boy's nature was that of a hero. You can't train that out of anyone when the rubber meets the road. They just react according to their nature.

This is most likely the sadist and most evil thing I've read about in a very long time.

When humans do something like this to pure innocence you have to wonder how we have made it this far as a species.

He died with honour defending his sister .. sincere condolences to his parents and sister ..
May he have a good life in his next incarnation .. namae wa amitabo ..