Boy, 8, Killed Defending Sister From Rapist

a reply to: alienjuggalo
Me too, I almost cried even before I read it.

a reply to: buster2010

What a sad story! I hope as everyone else does that the guy who did it is hung out to dry!

Why we have these sadistic murderer's here? I really wish they could be Identified somehow earlier in life so this kind of thing wouldn't happen. You know like they were seen and identified in the future by a person with ESP

The molester/murderer should die of heart failure after 45 minutes of intense convulsions after having the vein in his arm burst from a nasty mix of cocktails.

a reply to: buster2010

If they put him in general population chances are he wouldn't live to be executed.

I sincerely hope this is what they'll decide to do.

The animal deserves nothing less.

Poor, poor kids.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: doompornjunkie

You are right, it is the little boys fault he was murdered…

Don't be a moron. Its the parents fault for not teaching him how to react to dangerous strangers.

"Now junior remember, runaway from big bad men, not towards them".

So it would have been better for the boy to run away and leave his sister behind? It's obvious the man had already grabbed the girl and the boy came to her defense. The boy did the right thing and paid for it with his life. Whether you believe it or not there are times when a person has to make stand no matter what age you are and this boy made one.

Well, it would have been wiser for the little boy to run away and scream for help. Simply because he could hardly overpower a grown man. Sometimes it is better to leave your sister behind. This is a cruel truth of a cruel world.

But I agree that it was valiant of the boy. Perhaps even exceptionally valiant. But who will remember in a thousand years? He died and the rapist lived. Of course the sister lives too, this provides some comfort. It is possible that he saved her life. Still, maybe if he would have ran she would have died and not him? Or maybe they both would have lived?

We will never know. Maybe it is pointless to ask.

Police Charge Teen in Death of 8-Year-Old Boy Killed Helping Sister

A 16-year-old suspect was charged with murder and strangulation in the death of an 8-year-old Virginia boy who was trying to defend his sister during a sexual assault, police said Saturday. Richmond police are not identifying the suspect because of his age. He was taken into custody after the attack was reported at 6:30 p.m. Thursday, but police waited to charge him while he was being medically evaluated.

Looks like they have caught someone who may have done the killing. With him being underage he will more than likely get a slap on the wrist.

a reply to: buster2010

This leave's me without any word's except as my mother alway's say's, God has a new angel.
The type of person responsible never get's the punishment there depraved mind's deserve and there psychology is beyond our ability to comprehend as if they have no normal morality or empathy.
I feel so sorry for this family, not one blow but two together.

a reply to: buster2010

He murdered a small child and raped another so badly, she's still in the hospital and only termed by family as 'doing better'.

I'll be surprised if he isn't charged as an adult and ....that was murder while committing an underlying felony. He also got charged with the detail of strangulation. So...he didn't just brick the kid with any ability to say 'I didn't know I hit him that hard'. He obviously took a moment to deliberately and very intentionally murder him.

The murder while committing another felony makes it 'special' if he's tried as an adult, or it should, anyway. Virginia isn't known as being warm and fuzzy to child murdering rapists, in my personal opinion.

Oh God this is the saddest thing. I want to say, my heart goes out to the surviving girl, and my prayers with her and the family, for their sorrow in this tragedy. May God give them the strength to make it through this ordeal.

To hear that the rapist is a child himself, saddens me. My daughter was brutally raped by two youths when she was also 15. They were charged as juveniles. Something is terribly wrong in a society that has children predators in such large amounts that you cannot trust your child to be safe even around other children.

As a parent that has felt the loss of a child, I know they are going through hell. I pray that God heals them and helps to carry them through this time and give them the strength to face all that they must soon face.

There simply are no words for such a thing...

a reply to: intrptr
Were the dead boy 14 or so I can understand all the superlatives that are being heaped upon him. Hero, brave, valiant, etc. These are adult characteristics which from my experience are not really credibly used to describe an innocent child of 6. Yet here on ATS, he is made out to be some kind of superboy with adult qualities. These he was not. He was only six.

The rush to judgment here has become common in threads like this. I found one a couple days ago in which ATSers lined up in a three or four page thread and seemed to be doing their best to "out do" previous posts in making degrading comments on the character of the woman being described. I even made a post with a list of the comments, to show the outlandish nature of members scorn.



From about three hours ago, the latest news article I could find on the net,there is really very little that is actually known about this situation other than that the parents and neighbors are in mourning for a dead boy.

Yet here on ATS it is already all figured out and the sentiments are for no mercy. One member suggests that the punishment be castration. One following says that it should be done with a meat slicing machine set on shave cycle.

Huh?

The doctors have not released any information on the condition of the sister. The sexual assault might or might not have happened. The "brutal rape" might not have happened. According to the original reports the assailant was a white male. But now the evidence appears to point to a black male.

We know nothing more about the 16 year old. His size, his mental capacity, his,,,anything really. Police are not handing out information yet.

But here on ATS, he is tried, convicted and condemned to the slowest and most painful journey imaginable to the lowest of corners of hell.

A meat slicer set on shave cycle?

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: buster2010

He murdered a small child and raped another so badly, she's still in the hospital and only termed by family as 'doing better'.

I'll be surprised if he isn't charged as an adult and ....that was murder while committing an underlying felony. He also got charged with the detail of strangulation. So...he didn't just brick the kid with any ability to say 'I didn't know I hit him that hard'. He obviously took a moment to deliberately and very intentionally murder him.

The murder while committing another felony makes it 'special' if he's tried as an adult, or it should, anyway. Virginia isn't known as being warm and fuzzy to child murdering rapists, in my personal opinion.

I just realized that he actually strangled the poor boy as well so, you're right in that he can't use the excuse he wasn't trying to kill him by hitting him with a brick.

You're also right about Virginia not being warm and fuzzy in regards to this sort of crime....He will most likely be charged as an adult given the severity of the assault and, in my opinion, rightly so.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Yet here on ATS it is already all figured out and the sentiments are for no mercy. One member suggests that the punishment be castration. One following says that it should be done with a meat slicing machine set on shave cycle.

Huh?

Wondering about others sentiments, too. Life is so precious and, in almost the same breath, so violable. Sign of the times.

These are adult characteristics which from my experience are not really credibly used to describe an innocent child of 6. Yet here on ATS, he is made out to be some kind of superboy with adult qualities. These he was not. He was only six.

Some people never grow up. They may be adult in body but immature in mind and emotional response.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Wrabbit

I have not been able to find any information on the 12 year olds condition. Other than the original allegations. Can you link to the information you have that she was raped so badly that she is still hospitalized? Might it be that she is there for more cursory examination and trauma care? From what I have been able to find, the doctors are not releasing information?

As for the murder, as I undersand it, the brick was thrown at the young boy and he was killed by the blow. Thus far, from what I have been able to find from police comments, there is no evidence of a brutal beating.

a reply to: intrptr

There is nothing sacred about the life of a young man who took the life of an innocent child. He took a life, and should pay for that with his life.

Forgiveness may come for this family, and certainly it is the only way to heal. But it wont be an immediate feeling, not at all.

Many people here have children, and can relate in some small way to the hell this family is going through, and wanting a life for a life with equal suffering is a perfectly natural and human emotion.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire

I'm wondering where you'd heard he was 6? I mean, you spelled it out, not a typo'ed number, so I figure you meant to say 6yrs old and not the 8yrs old the media I've seen so far has reported?

True.. we don't know too much about the killer yet. Although Virginia news sources I was reading a short time ago also said they've established prior intimidation and threats from this boy, toward the girl. So, perhaps some history and more passion involved than simply a random crime of opportunity.

Also.. I know the kid's only 8. However, when my son was 8 and despite having been taught how to defend himself and fight to seriously injure in case he had to for his life...I would never have expected, in a wild assumption, to find him at my back if something went badly. I'd have expected to see his butt as a fading sight as he ran for all he was worth. Natural instinct, and no kid can be blamed for the side of Fight or Flight a young child will likely come down on, when the blood is real and the pain is horrible.

My hats off to the kid for fighting. Every human has that Fight or Flight. Most take flight and fly at a rate to make Boeing envious. A few...occasionally...fight. Sometimes, they give all for the little they managed to contribute...but they're taller for that little than most grown men I've known in life.

Just my two cents.

a reply to: TerryMcGuire
To confirm a couple points with sources.. Here is a local report citing Police as stating the boy was beaten to death.

Sources say the teen is being evaluated at the Tucker Pavilion at Chippenham Medical Center. Police say he killed 8-year-old Martin Cobb when he tried to stop the suspect from raping his 12-year-old sister.

Family members and friends say the girl and her brother were playing on the train tracks in the 200 block of Brandon Road, not far from their home Thursday evening. Police say the suspect sexually assaulted the girl and, when her brother tried to intervene, beat the boy to death.

Source

The next is also local and isn't the one I'd seen earlier, but makes the same statement and likely from the same relative.

The family is in extreme disbelief and despair. A loved one, too distraught to show her face on camera, says those closest to the two children are barely coping.
"Nobody expects something like this to happen to the babies in their family," said the relative.

The sister was rushed to the hospital.

"She's just traumatized," said the woman.

Source

That isn't saying she is still there as the one I'd seen earlier did..but I'm not going to stand on form and say what I saw earlier was necessarily fact checked or 100% correct either. There are some conflicting things on this, including the prior contact issue. Some local sources are saying yes and some saying no.

I'm guessing the media are interviewing relatives in all directions, and not all know the same info. So, we get wild contradictions until the family gets together to pick a couple to communicate consistently with the media. I imagine that'll come real quick here, if a lawyer isn't the one to do it for them. Then we may get more reliable stuff from family.

Who can blame family for not having every detail matching? (I'd worry a lot more if they did, honestly).. They just lost one child and the other has endured two VERY serious traumas no child should have to. A brutal rape (which police seem to leave no question on having happened) and the murder of her brother, which I'd imagine, fate wasn't kind enough to allow her to miss seeing....and reliving for the better part of her life, probably.

Yes,

There is a reason it's still pretty easy to get men at age 18-30 to go to war with people they have never met and never did anything to them and it has absolutely nothing to do with bravery. My nephew is turning 8 soon and the idea of him trying to 'defend' his sister from a rapist is so utterly ludicrous that i can't even imagine such a situation. In fact these 'situations' should not happen and when they do they should not perhaps not even be reported on because of how they poison our perceptions as to just how safe the world we live in has become as compared to even ten years ago.

I shall not even go on to the fact that there has always been a very thin line between bravery and stupidity/ignorance and that most people in their middle age still can not make a good distinction between the two.

What is however MOST troubling in this thread is the condemnation of the 16 year old would be attacker/rapist? Why do we even talk about 'bravery' when most men/boys i know would in similar circumstances try to defend their sisters/family without considering consequences? Why are we not focusing on what the #%%$*(%$*%$ must be wrong with our societies that allows for the creation or mere existence of any numbers of rapist and the like?

Blaming rapist for having the 'urge' to want to 'prove' their power over their much weaker victims is about as useful as blaming other people for whichever intestinal cancer we may be suffering from; it wont ultimately make you better and it does nothing to address the cause. Personal responsibility is great but it has to be taught like most other things.

But that would be a hard question that requires more than just praise for bravery and condemnation of former members of our societies. So yes, we take the 'chemo' ( death penalty for certain crimes) and avoid any serious discussion on how ineffective fighting violence with violence ultimately is; if 'criminals' had enough self control to not do what they want to do or good sense to be scared of the consequences of their actions they would not be criminals in the first place!

Criminality declines due to economic prosperity ( a different and less risky way to assert himself) and education and not due to sending people to prison ( universities of criminality) or killing a dozen or so a year. Terror may work but then you have to start with executing people for littering and torturing them for months on cable tv for more serious crimes. Then 'we' prove that 'we' are more badass than 'they' are and only those actually worthy of execution would continue in their ways. Short of that 'tough love' policies ( sending people to criminal school) on crime is just rubbish and will keep making things worse and worse by destroying families and thus ultimately communities and nations.

Stellar

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: TerryMcGuire
To confirm a couple points with sources.. Here is a local report citing Police as stating the boy was beaten to death.

Sources say the teen is being evaluated at the Tucker Pavilion at Chippenham Medical Center. Police say he killed 8-year-old Martin Cobb when he tried to stop the suspect from raping his 12-year-old sister.

Family members and friends say the girl and her brother were playing on the train tracks in the 200 block of Brandon Road, not far from their home Thursday evening. Police say the suspect sexually assaulted the girl and, when her brother tried to intervene, beat the boy to death.

Source

The next is also local and isn't the one I'd seen earlier, but makes the same statement and likely from the same relative.

The family is in extreme disbelief and despair. A loved one, too distraught to show her face on camera, says those closest to the two children are barely coping.
"Nobody expects something like this to happen to the babies in their family," said the relative.

The sister was rushed to the hospital.

"She's just traumatized," said the woman.

Source

That isn't saying she is still there as the one I'd seen earlier did..but I'm not going to stand on form and say what I saw earlier was necessarily fact checked or 100% correct either. There are some conflicting things on this, including the prior contact issue. Some local sources are saying yes and some saying no.

I'm guessing the media are interviewing relatives in all directions, and not all know the same info. So, we get wild contradictions until the family gets together to pick a couple to communicate consistently with the media. I imagine that'll come real quick here, if a lawyer isn't the one to do it for them. Then we may get more reliable stuff from family.

Who can blame family for not having every detail matching? (I'd worry a lot more if they did, honestly).. They just lost one child and the other has endured two VERY serious traumas no child should have to. A brutal rape (which police seem to leave no question on having happened) and the murder of her brother, which I'd imagine, fate wasn't kind enough to allow her to miss seeing....and reliving for the better part of her life, probably.

Emotionally speaking, what you just brought to the board makes me want to just break down and bawl my eyes out. This poor girl not only got brutally attacked and raped but, also likely had to witness the brutal murder of her own baby brother.

It makes me so angry!

I only live a few hours away from where this happened and I've spoken to my husband about it...we are seriously considering making the drive for the memorial service to show our support. We have already donated to Wells Fargo for financial support but, sadly that just doesn't feel like enough.

This situation just tugs at my soul.

a reply to: buster2010

I dont know what to say. My deepest condolences to the family. This boy was as brave as they come. He is a real hero in a world of false idols.

Honor the dead.

Kill the monster.